Juhani (no shard complaint)

Yeah she is like a cross between Teebo and Mace. That is not good.

T3 is better. Sidious is better. Visas is better. Probably literally anyone is better.

Or I'm just doing it wrong.

Vets 2.0. Nothing more. Well actually the Vets have use in a hybrid Smuggler/Scoundrel team now.

So she's worse.

Use her instead of GK in a JKR team. CD set + 2x CC, Speed arrow, CD triangle, Attack cross, Health circle. Speed at least over 200. Make sure her taunt doesn't expire to early.

Yea I don’t use her on carth team either. When I got padme I took gk off my revan team and replaced with her. I figured at least the additional 5 speed would be worth something. It’s definitely useable and that revan team is great. But it’s lacking in some respects to the kenobi or hermit yoda variations. But I’m convinced that’s a better choice than using on carth team.

I prefer wampa to be on the carth team. Shreds ewoks and makes people think twice about using rebels against them.

"Schwartzring;c-1955188" wrote:
Questions from someone that doesn't have full OR or GR teams.

1. Would she have use on a Revan team as tank there?
2. Would Zalbaar make a better tank for a Carth team?
3. What about Juhanni with a zBastila team split off from Revan?

1. Not ideal compared to GK (or Hoda teams), but can work. See Kisakee's post
2. If you are running zCarth, you usually have big Z on the team. Juhani would be an extra tank (rather than using t3)
3. If you have enough jedi to support this, sure. There are still better jedi tanks.

"Jack1210;c-1955320" wrote:

"littleMAC77;c-1955193" wrote:

"Schwartzring;c-1955188" wrote:
Questions from someone that doesn't have full OR or GR teams.

1. Would she have use on a Revan team as tank there?
2. Would Zalbaar make a better tank for a Carth team?
3. What about Juhanni with a zBastila team split off from Revan?

1. Not ideal compared to GK (or Hoda teams), but can work. See Kisakee's post
2. If you are running zCarth, you usually have big Z on the team. Juhani would be an extra tank (rather than using t3)
3. If you have enough jedi to support this, sure. There are still better jedi tanks.

3. Who would you recommend? GK is with my JKR now, but once my GR is ready he's going there. I don't wanna use hyoda or ezra because putting my g13 JKR on D is a nice lock down of one side in GA, but with either attacker they're too squishy. I was thinking Juhani, luckily I haven't geared her yet but I wanna work on the replacement for GK asap

Honestly, I think the only two jedi tanks worth much are GK and Old Ben. Kanan is probably next, but feels pretty meh outside a phoenix team.

As for what to do once you move GK to Padme, I would say it depends on your opponent. Assuming they have JKR, use your JKR with Hoda on offence to counter theirs (or another top tier team). If they do not have JKR, chances are they will still struggle against a less defensive team with hoda or ezra. This is based off of my experience wiping out G13 JKRs with standard JKR+hoda.

"littleMAC77;c-1955445" wrote:

"Jack1210;c-1955320" wrote:

"littleMAC77;c-1955193" wrote:

"Schwartzring;c-1955188" wrote:
Questions from someone that doesn't have full OR or GR teams.

1. Would she have use on a Revan team as tank there?
2. Would Zalbaar make a better tank for a Carth team?
3. What about Juhanni with a zBastila team split off from Revan?

1. Not ideal compared to GK (or Hoda teams), but can work. See Kisakee's post
2. If you are running zCarth, you usually have big Z on the team. Juhani would be an extra tank (rather than using t3)
3. If you have enough jedi to support this, sure. There are still better jedi tanks.

3. Who would you recommend? GK is with my JKR now, but once my GR is ready he's going there. I don't wanna use hyoda or ezra because putting my g13 JKR on D is a nice lock down of one side in GA, but with either attacker they're too squishy. I was thinking Juhani, luckily I haven't geared her yet but I wanna work on the replacement for GK asap

Honestly, I think the only two jedi tanks worth much are GK and Old Ben. Kanan is probably next, but feels pretty meh outside a phoenix team.

As for what to do once you move GK to Padme, I would say it depends on your opponent. Assuming they have JKR, use your JKR with Hoda on offence to counter theirs (or another top tier team). If they do not have JKR, chances are they will still struggle against a less defensive team with hoda or ezra. This is based off of my experience wiping out G13 JKRs with standard JKR+hoda.

Ya that's what I'm thinking, the rest just don't belong anywhere. I think I prefer OB so i can place them on D. Also a little behind on hyoda as i dont even have him unlocked yet.... I know.... But my guild is alternating between hoth and Geo so I'll have him in the near future. Ya Kanan is just not worth it outside Phoenix.

"Schwartzring;c-1955188" wrote:
Questions from someone that doesn't have full OR or GR teams.

1. Would she have use on a Revan team as tank there?
2. Would Zalbaar make a better tank for a Carth team?
3. What about Juhanni with a zBastila team split off from Revan?

1: I would not consider Juhani for a Revan team unless I were subdividing Jedi into a Revan team, a Bastila team, and a Padme team. Other than the lead synergy, she's pretty meh. And she really isn't a tank. She's an off-tank, on a team that already has one. And it's a role that isn't clearly defined, which she doesn't do particularly well. Just as notably, Revan teams don't really need a tank. If the key contenders for that slot are pulled, then it's just kinda a dead slot that Juhani doesn't do much more for than, say, Aayla or Qui Gon.

2: The non-negotiable core of a Carth team is Carth, Candy, Mission, and Big Z. There is no Juhani/Big Z comparison; Big Z is locked and essential. Juhani is not vying for Big Z's spot; she's vying for that floating fifth slot against T3 and Wampa. In that spot, she is okay. She can off tank a bit opposite Zaalbar. She brings a team cleanse which the team wants, though it's on a long cooldown. No DoT synergy. In comparison, T3 doesn't bring a whole lot to a non-droid team and Wampa, while being a powerhouse on their own who synergizes with DoTs, they miss out on the entire lead. This is a reasonable place to use Juhani, but she will not shine.

3: This is another place where Juhani is reasonable but won't shine, as off tank opposite Old Ben. If you're splitting your Jedi three ways, you're talking something like JKR/GMY/Jolee/Hoda/Open, Bast/Ezra/Ben/Open/Open, and Padme/GK/Ani/Ahsoka/Open. After the Bast/Ezra/Ben triangle, the rest of that lineup's basically scrap utilization. Juhani's fine there. But that's pretty much all she'll ever be; fine.

Juhani just has a terrible kit. She is a tank whose only taunt is on a really long cooldown so when it gets dispelled she probably isn't gonna be able to retaunt before the battle is over. She also loses her taunt as soon as she loses protection. Any tank you can just ignore is a bad tank. She really needs some kind of ability that forces the player to go after her first.

Juhani is trash, junk her. I’ve tested pretty extensively with Carth on both Offense and Defense, as I’m CONVINCED there’s a fifth to make the team shine. Here’s my experience thus far:

Wampa: shreds on offense with Carth, useless on defense. Wampa is too easy to control himself, while lack of a cleanse keeps traditional Carth counters happy. Generally not enough of a deterrent to stop rebels IMO.

Tusken Shaman: surprisingly decent.... early offense-up for the team and a well-timed heal can lead to victory. Also, it feels nice to use underutilized toons to worthy effect. If you were as dumb as I was gearing this guy up for a Vader DoT Tank Raid team back in the day, dust him off and give him a shot... he’s AT LEAST as effective as Juhani.

B2: also decent, but not worth taking away from a droid team if you have one (which I don’t). This guy used to be the quintessential plug-and-play dispeller, and he can still shine in that role. Helps to negate Tenacity-Up buffs, so he helps against Rex counter. He’s also still incredibly annoying to deal with.

TFP: this guy is actually a killer fit for Carth on offense, and does OK on defense too. TFP has ZERO empire tags in his kit, so all the debuff Carth brings help him to shine. A really fast TFP that opens the battle with both buff immunity and ability block, along with insane TM gain and heavy-hitting, make this a surprisingly fun fit. If you aren’t currently utilizing him in an empire squad, this is a fun and surprising fifth that’ll make your opponent think a little bit.

Rex: brings the cleanse + Tenacity Up that you WISH Juhani could bring.... however, with all the utility Rex has across the game, this is a silly investment for him. Bummer.

Chirrut: currently my favorite fifth on a Carth team, utilized for defense. The once OP-synergy of Chaze is practically peanuts compared to new synergies and leaderships IMO, while the utility of a cleanse + Tenacity Up from Chirrut and the Pre-Taunt from Baze are still of paramount importance on any team composition. The HoTs from chirrut help to keep your Carth team survive a touch longer, and while he’s an obvious first target, he’s typically done his job by the time he’s wiped and the DoT train is rolling. (I put Baze on my “Phoenix-Killer” Wiggs team, or on CLS on occasion)


Hope this helps!

Anybody else out there experimented successfully with other toons?