Is there a specific "critical chance" rate at which Critical Damage becomes more beneficial than Offense? I don't fully understand the mechanics of the "Offense" mods.

@evanbio The reality is that most characters at max gear can reach 50% crit chance quite easily.Characters like Raid Han, where i have 65% crit chance + 10% from zeta, plus 10% from r2, so he seems to crit on every attack. Similary, CLS in offense mode can reach 100% crit chance. Biggs special attack uses 3 people to attack all with 100% crit chance.So for high crit chance characters like this, crit damage mods actually give them much more than offense mods can do.

"Moroveus;c-1430210" wrote:@Mobewan - thank you! That was a clear and succinct explanation. I appreciate it!That's the way @Mobewan rolls - always helpful, sensible and informative.

Depends on your CC.and whether you have CD primary on triangle.1) No CD triangle (150% CD & 10% Offense vs. 180% CD)Well the expected damage output of the former is 1.1 times the original one.The original expected value for damage= Base dmg + (CC × 0.5× Base dmg).Offense mod make it 1.1×so= 1.1 Base dmg + (CC× 0.5×1.1×Base dmg)= 1.1 Base dmg + (CC×0.55×Base dmg)CD mod makes it like this=Base dmg + (CC× 0.8× Base dmg)Which is bigger?SituationalOffense mod case - CD mod case= 0.1 Base dmg - (CC ×0.25 × Base dmg)if this is >0, Offense wins. <0, CD winsso if 0.1>CC×0.25in other words, if your crit chance is lower than 40%, offense mod is better.If crit chance is 40%: indifferent.If CC is over 40%, CD mod.But this is when your triangle primary is not CD2) Your triangle primary is 36% CD (186% CD & 10% Offense vs. 216% CD)Well the expected damage output of the former is 1.1 times the original one.The original expected value for damage= Base dmg + (CC × 0.86× Base dmg).Offense mod make it 1.1×so= 1.1 Base dmg + (CC× 0.86×1.1×Base dmg)= 1.1 Base dmg + (CC×0.946×Base dmg)CD mod makes it like this=Base dmg + (CC× 1.16× Base dmg)Which is bigger?SituationalOffense mod case - CD mod case= 0.1 Base dmg - (CC ×0.214× Base dmg)if this is >0, Offense wins. <0, CD winsso if 0.1>CC×0.214in other words, if your crit chance is lower than (100/214)*100%, offense mod is better.If crit chance is (100/214)*100%: indifferent.If CC is over (100/214)*100%, CD mod. this is when your triangle primary is 36% CD

"Anakin_Skywalker;c-1430620" wrote:(100/214) * 100% is about 46.73%.So to sum it up:1) your triangle primary =/= CDthen 40% is the turning point.If your overall CC is over 40%, CD set is better. If lower, Offense set is better2) your triangle primary = 36% CDthen 46.73% is the turning point.If your overall CC is over 46.73%, CD set us better. If lower, Offense set is better3) your triangle primary = 1~4* CD primary,then somewhere between 40% and 46.73% is your turning point.I'm not exactly the best at math, but I think your numbers are reversed. You're saying assuming an even potential Offense, if you deal more Crit Damage, you need a higher Crit Chance to break even, which strikes me as backwards. You'd be able to Crit hit less often since the extra 36% Crit damage would make up for some missed critical hits, not the opposite. Either I'm reading this wrong or you were supposed to subtract the 6.73% from 40, not add it.

Base character has 150% CD, add a triangle it's 36% more meaning 186% CD, full set adds 30% bring CD to 216%You're saying with a higher CD %, you also need a higher CC % to even out to offense, correct? Because that isn't how common sense says it works. You wouldn't need to Crit hit as often because your Crits that do land are doing +66% damage over a "normal" critical, which means you can land less crits to get the same total damage output. Either way, I'm out. Too late for this much math.

Mod Question: Offense v. Critical Damage

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almightywood
8 years ago
The long drawn out but entirely accurate formula on how to compare is as follows:
in match effects
crit damage set stats
offense set stats
100 / ((100 / (186 / 30)) * (100 / (Base offense - Applicable damage from Current gear) * (1 + total %offense from primaries and secondaries: expressed as a decimal) + total flat offense secondaries + Applicable damage from Current gear) / ((Base Offense - Applicable Damage from Current gear) * 105.88 + Applicable damage from current gear)) / ((100/(1 - (Base Offense - Applicable damage from current gear) * (1 + total % offense from primaries and secondaries: expressed as a decimal) + total flat offense + (base offense * .1) + Applicable damage from Current gear) / ((Base offense - Applicable damage from current gear) * 105.88 + Applicable damage from current gear))) - %Crit Chance increase from Buffs and Abilities = Critical chance breakpoint

Applicable damage from current gear is either special or physical damage on gear that you have equipped that you can still examine. Which one to subtract and then re-add depends on which type of damage the character uses.

When it comes down to it, you can't just analyze crit damage mods vs. offense mods, too many variables are left out that can prove the math you get by looking at them in a sandbox wrong. We have to examine each set of mods individually to see which is better. There is only one blanket rule for crit damage vs offense mods: any leader or other abilities/buffs that that end up giving +30% crit chance or more automatically make crit damage better.

If the crit damage set of mods you are examining has a crit chance above what the breakpoint is when combined with your character's base crit chance, then it is better than the offense set you were comparing it to as far as total damage output goes. If it is below it, the offense is better. If it is an exact match, then neither is better.

EDIT: corrected in game effects positioning and importance, tweaked the math, explained the formula better.
almightywood
8 years ago
"AnnerDoon;c-1431743" wrote:
There's way too many variables in that equation. Can't you just tell everybody the answer so they don't have to figure things out for themselves? I mean.... it's way too hard to just swap mods and see empirically what works better. /sarcasm

I remember when I first started posting on this forum I made a rudimentary offense vs crit damage guide... man did I miss a lot of variables on that one.

I don't use this formula, I just stick with crit damage mods myself. Not worth the hassle to farm up a large amount of offense mods for me yet.

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