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Nikoms565's avatar
7 years ago

Old Ben's Taunt vs. CLS "Use the Force"

Just a quick question (this is NOT a bug report) - can someone explain why OB has his taunt dispelled, CLS debuffs with Buff Immunity for 2 turns, and yet Ben's 2nd taunt procs through buff immunity anyway? That doesn't make any sense to me - and it doesn't work like any other taunt in the game (i.e. no one else can taunt through BI) Was there an explanation that I missed somewhere along the way? Thanks (and @scuba - I'm sure you can break it down if no one else jumps in first). ;)
  • "Nikoms565;c-1455342" wrote:
    "Nebulous;c-1455126" wrote:
    "leef;c-1455015" wrote:
    assuming my assumption was right, he re-taunts before the buff immu is applied.
    I wonder what happens if you put buff immu on a taunting old ben with cassian for example and dispel the taunt with QGJ/sun fac. He shouldn't regain taunt.
    Unfortunately GW is nerfed beyond believe, so i won't face a zeta ben any time soon to be able to test it.


    When I face a dual tank gk/obi, I Fracture gk and I apply shock to obi. This prevents the taunt at all. So shock (buff block) can kind of nullify the zeta.


    So shock blocks the buff, but buff block doesn't block the buff? A basic ability, but neither of the two special abilities?

    Apparently RacerDejak's meme is the closest explanation to accurate....

    I am legitimately sorry I asked, because this is making less and less sense.


    This is how cls's cleanse works:

    Dispel
    Buff block
    Damage

    This is how it interacts with obi zeta while taunting:

    Dispel taunt/taunt reapplied
    Buff block
    Damage

    If you had buff block BEFORE you dispel the taunt with cls, the taunt won't come back.
  • scuba75's avatar
    scuba75
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    "Nebulous;c-1455371" wrote:
    "Nikoms565;c-1455342" wrote:
    "Nebulous;c-1455126" wrote:
    "leef;c-1455015" wrote:
    assuming my assumption was right, he re-taunts before the buff immu is applied.
    I wonder what happens if you put buff immu on a taunting old ben with cassian for example and dispel the taunt with QGJ/sun fac. He shouldn't regain taunt.
    Unfortunately GW is nerfed beyond believe, so i won't face a zeta ben any time soon to be able to test it.


    When I face a dual tank gk/obi, I Fracture gk and I apply shock to obi. This prevents the taunt at all. So shock (buff block) can kind of nullify the zeta.


    So shock blocks the buff, but buff block doesn't block the buff? A basic ability, but neither of the two special abilities?

    Apparently RacerDejak's meme is the closest explanation to accurate....

    I am legitimately sorry I asked, because this is making less and less sense.


    This is how cls's cleanse works:

    Dispel
    Buff block
    Damage

    This is how it interacts with obi zeta while taunting:

    Dispel taunt/taunt reapplied
    Buff block
    Damage


    If you had buff block BEFORE you dispel the taunt with cls, the taunt won't come back.


    This is the simplest of it all about order of operations.
    BTW it also works like this for sith under zeta Maul lead (all have to be stealthed except b2), they can gain advantage and buff immunity/fracture at the same time. There are other scenarios I expect it will also happen but really haven't tested them.

    Currently all abilities that dispel buffs dispel first before anything else happens. So if a character responds to losing a status effect that response will happen before the next step (appling bi/fracture)

  • my guess is because those abilities remove the buff first and then applies any kind of debuff.
    thing is ob retaunts as soon as he loses his taunt.
    So he is regaining taunt right after it is removed, even before any fracture or immunity is applied

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