Omicron Ability Update: Princess Leia

this is all nice and dandy but arent we forgetting about one little thing? the game is in a very poor position, executor is a huge pain even with maxed out, we dont know what your plan is regarding the future of the game is it worth it to put up with all this annoyance?

I think that they have multiple stacks of the buff, maybe? So an old stack could expire and grant the tm after 2 turns, but you still have the buff.

So Leia could actually hand the team 3 buffs 3 times for 9 stacks total, then 2 turns later that all expires for 27% TM gain, but leia has had another turn and they will keep the buffs, while also gaining the TM from the hidden stacks expiring.

Not certain this is how it will work, but possible, given how geo spy damage can ramp from multiple stacks of tenacity down and ability block.

This will also give massive protection recovery under Jyn lead.

"onexy;c-2333549" wrote:
this is all nice and dandy but arent we forgetting about one little thing? the game is in a very poor position, executor is a huge pain even with maxed out, we dont know what your plan is regarding the future of the game is it worth it to put up with all this annoyance?

wrong thread, buddy

Stacks of buffs (or debuffs) can expire independently. If you use a DV lead in a raid, you can see the DoT counter go down when a boss takes their turn. It doesn't (and shouldn't) go to 0 except if the boss is able to take 2 or more turns before anyone else can apply DoTs. Otherwise, you'll see the DoTs go from X to Y and then back to X. So even if Leia applies buffs two turns in a row, the buffs from her first turn will expire independently (and on time) from the buffs applied on her second turn.

"Sebek;c-2333647" wrote:

"Procrastin8;c-2333645" wrote:

"Sebek;c-2333638" wrote:
They can gain multiple stacks of buffs like Retribution, it's just not shown because it doesn't change anything. So they would gain TM when they gain that buff, not after 2 turns.

My understanding of the Ackbar omicron is that that ally only gains TM when a buff expires, this is why I'm asking this question. From what I'm gathering, it's delayed satisfaction. The TM train would start after 2 turns (because that's how long the P. Leia buffs will last.)

Oh, Ackbar's omicron grants TM when a buff expires... I thought it was when an ally gains it...

Yup. Akbar's Omicron grants TM when buffs expire. But concerning this omicron, I think they do expire when a new one is gained. This is because they come form the same source: Leia's unique.
This is what happens with Protection Up after all. That was an entire thing a while back. The old Protection Up would expire if a new one was applied from the same source, unless it specifically stated that it stacked. I would assume the same is going on here: If an ally gains a buff from this Omicron they already have, the old one expires immediately. That being said, if she gains Tenacity Up while allies still have the Tenacity Up from Akbar's lead, that one won't expire since it isn't from the same source.
But at the end this is how I expect it to work. I'm not 100% sure about it either so some confirmation would be nice.

My understanding, from @scuba is that the following happens:

Leia grants 2 turn retribution to Farmboy Luke,

FL takes a turn (1 turn of retribution left)

Leia re-grants 2 turn retribution to FL

FL now has 2 stacks of retribution (1 turn, 2 turn) but the 2 turn retribution will be visually shown, and the 1 turn stack is stealthed

And so on, and so forth

I believe this is how buffs worked since the teebo stealth raid fix and has been like this, and from my understanding, even though you will see one stack of retribution on FL visually, Boba's execute will treat as if two stacks of buffs were dispelled

Reached out to dev. Here's what they said:

Buffs that don't stack visibly/functionally (we tie the two together) can still stack in the background. Instead of "refreshing" the duration of an existing buff, a new buff is added with its own duration. The buffs overlap on their duration, so the unit will (usually) enjoy the benefits of that buff longer, but the actual impact of the buff (+50% Offense, +25% Critical Chance, etc) is constant - if any of that buff is present, you get the static effect. The same is true for debuffs that don't stack visibly/functionally.
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So an example would be the following:

T1: Apply Tenacity Up for 2 turns
T2: Apply Tenacity Up for 2 turns again somehow
T3: Tenacity Up from T1 expires. AA bonuses. Character still has Tenacity Up
T4: Tenacity Up from T2 expires. AA Bonuses. Character no longer has Tenacity Up
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TLDR; leia and akbar omis work well together

"Gale_Toral;c-2333757" wrote:

"CG_Doja_Fett_MINI;c-2333751" wrote:
Reached out to dev. Here's what they said:

Buffs that don't stack visibly/functionally (we tie the two together) can still stack in the background. Instead of "refreshing" the duration of an existing buff, a new buff is added with its own duration. The buffs overlap on their duration, so the unit will (usually) enjoy the benefits of that buff longer, but the actual impact of the buff (+50% Offense, +25% Critical Chance, etc) is constant - if any of that buff is present, you get the static effect. The same is true for debuffs that don't stack visibly/functionally.
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So an example would be the following:

T1: Apply Tenacity Up for 2 turns
T2: Apply Tenacity Up for 2 turns again somehow
T3: Tenacity Up from T1 expires. AA bonuses. Character still has Tenacity Up
T4: Tenacity Up from T2 expires. AA Bonuses. Character no longer has Tenacity Up
---

TLDR; leia and akbar omis work well together

I'm assuming this is similar to the multiple instances of Tenacity Down from Geo Soldier stacking for Geo Spy's nuke attack?

Yup. Always has.

"Livid;c-2333736" wrote:

"Winterwolves;c-2333634" wrote:
I think that they have multiple stacks of the buff, maybe? So an old stack could expire and grant the tm after 2 turns, but you still have the buff.

So Leia could actually hand the team 3 buffs 3 times for 9 stacks total, then 2 turns later that all expires for 27% TM gain, but leia has had another turn and they will keep the buffs, while also gaining the TM from the hidden stacks expiring.

Not certain this is how it will work, but possible, given how geo spy damage can ramp from multiple stacks of tenacity down and ability block.

This will also give massive protection recovery under Jyn lead.

Not sure if anyone remembers, but back when Padme came out, the devs answered a similar question. I think it was an interaction with GMY's battle meditation ( it granted himself protection up, then granted *every ally*, including GMY himself, protection up), and General Kenobi's unique. TL;DR it counted as the first Protection Up expiring, and activated GK's taunt.

I see this as a similar situation, but this is CG, so it's anyone's guess. No clarification from them, what else is new?

Protection Up is an odd example in that multiple stacks from the same source would actually do something, so Protection Up from the same source only stacks if it explicitly says so. Stacking sources / multiple sources do count as multiple buffs, but it’s more obvious because there’s a number indicator like HoTs.

They work together until they get nerfed for working too good together. Lesson learnt

I just slapped the omi on Akbar and I'm working on Leia's next. I'm a sucker for off meta weirdness. I'll let you all know how it turns out. I got a hold today on defense with Akbar ( omi won't be active in GAC until next week's ) so I was pretty happy that it caught someone off guard without the squad being complete yet.

My team comp is
Akbar lead (R7)
Leia (R3)
Stormtrooper Han (R3)
Bistan (R7)
Fulcrum Tano ( G12)