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Zaraos
7 years agoRising Veteran
"DarkHelmet1138;c-1673157" wrote:"Gorem;c-1672534" wrote:
Han won't be able to stun him, and even a quick kill only makes him go anyway allowing the other side to take the advantage.
First turn debuffs won't work, so fast quick vaders are countered completely.
He counters just so much, that really will have to wait and see what people come up with after his release.
I think ep teams with vader may do ok. Obviously requires testing but here's the theory.
If you stack potency on vader, he can land debuff against bastilla lead even with the super high tennacity. With revan lead, they get tenacity up for one turn but will it be as high as bastilla lead tennacity or higher?
If it is equal or lower, vader gains enough speed from enemy jedi to almost always go first. My vader can out run most bastilla lead teams unless they have a super fast gmy. After all he gains 8 speed for each sith or empire ally and for each rebek or jedi enemy. Assuming they run ezra and all jedi, that is +102 speed or +110 if they run old ben instead of gk. That significantly dwarfs the +30 you get from revan.
So if vader goes first and can land debuffs, you still get the tm train going. Get sion to mass dispel taunts, then fracture revan. Mass stun with palp that actually sticks to everyone but revan (not used to that after facing so many traya teams). I think that lineup stands a chance.
When the tenacity up buff is active you cannot land debuffs at all. the only exception is things that cannot be resisted such as vaders ability block on his basic against jedi
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