1) I know this has been mentioned before but this is a nearly aug 2019 opinion and it still needs to be raised2) revan teams are still breaking the gameWhy? I am currently in horrible mismatched TW (168mil v 206 mil, 4xg13 toons v army of g13 toons). Not the problem but worth noting.Anyway, in such a mismatch, our guild made attack stage a practice rather than full compulsory.A high level (but not full power) DR team was knocked down to just DR, badstila and HK (all g13). I practiced against these 3 toons with every tier 2/3 team I had (not cls or JKR). That 3 still beat easily good resistance/OR/scoundrel/ewok/troopers/traya/seps/ FO/ NS/ lesser DR team/ 92k padme team. All teams mix of g11/12 and >200 speed. (I am 4.7 GP)Did devs not actually do testing of this meta against non-meta? This was a massacre. How can every good tier 2/3 team in game not beat a half meta team?Is revan the problem? I don’t think so. Personally main problem is jolee mass res and DR team (with badstila) ability to make entire team skip a go are the problem dynamics. Please look at fixing both these dynamics and I think this will fix 90% of TW,GA, arena issues.

Completely agree. This team has ruined GA and Arena. Coming up a Revan team better than yours completely shuts you down. Every other team can be overcome with a few teams against it. This hasn't been a problem before. It would be nice for the Devs to have a look at this.

The problem isn’t that DR is unbeatable, the problem is that you were fighting against a team with preloaded TM. Of course DR will crush you in that situation, so would most other meta teams. Also, my guess is you were severely outclassed in gear/mods since you said all teams were “G11/12 and >200 speed”. Most DR teams have at least DR and Bastila at 300 speed, so if you’re only at like 250 AND they have preloaded TM they will run circles around you (each turn they take they get +75 speed from ferocity stacks). If you have your teams properly geared and modded and don’t preload TM, you can beat DR with several of the teams you mentioned. If you want to practice against DR, I’d recommend either playing in the arena or forfeiting/hard shutting down each match you lose to prevent the preloaded TM.

"Dirty_Litle_Smuggler;c-1925769" wrote: The problem isn’t that DR is unbeatable, the problem is that you were fighting against a team with preloaded TM. Of course DR will crush you in that situation, so would most other meta teams. Also, my guess is you were severely outclassed in gear/mods since you said all teams were “G11/12 and >200 speed”. Most DR teams have at least DR and Bastila at 300 speed, so if you’re only at like 250 AND they have preloaded TM they will run circles around you (each turn they take they get +75 speed from ferocity stacks). If you have your teams properly geared and modded and don’t preload TM, you can beat DR with several of the teams you mentioned. If you want to practice against DR, I’d recommend either playing in the arena or forfeiting/hard shutting down each match you lose to prevent the preloaded TM. Congratulations, you have identified the problem but have shown exactly no understanding of the problem. This is not arena. This is every other area of the game. Where players post defence teams. If “use a better team” is your argument. Then how do you beat a Revan wall? Your answer would be “have a better revan wall” If you cannot see the problem with that answer, then I will not argue with you, as we are on very different pages. Simply put, meta is fine. Having a meta that needs another meta to beat it even when half strength is the problem. Over 80% of your roster is pointless. Honestly, please tell me how this is a good thing?

Teams that can beat DR easily:GR under padmeJKR G13 Grievous (with IG-88/HK lead, BB8, T3, and L3)Teams that can beat trio easily (even with preloaded turn meter):GR under padmeJKR with pretauntCLS, Han, Chewie, 3PO, pretaunt (baze would be good)And really good team with a pretaunt. If you keep banging your head against the wall fighting a team that everyone else seems to be able to beat, change your tactics. Namely, if DR has preloaded TM you NEED to bring in a pretaunt character to prevent him from applying insanity to your entire team. Focus fire on dbastila, once she’s gone the team will fall apart.

"Shadowdancer;c-1925986" wrote:"Dirty_Litle_Smuggler;c-1925974" wrote:Teams that can beat DR easily:GR under padmeJKR G13 Grievous (with IG-88/HK lead, BB8, T3, and L3)Teams that can beat trio easily (even with preloaded turn meter):GR under padmeJKR with pretauntCLS, Han, Chewie, 3PO, pretaunt (baze would be good)And really good team with a pretaunt. If you keep banging your head against the wall fighting a team that everyone else seems to be able to beat, change your tactics. Namely, if DR has preloaded TM you NEED to bring in a pretaunt character to prevent him from applying insanity to your entire team. Focus fire on dbastila, once she’s gone the team will fall apart. You are still missing the point. You need meta to take down a half meta team barring god mods and rng gods. You are right, cls and JKR both would work in this scenario. I could have used either. GR only work if highly geared/modded., same for GG. That is not the point. It’s really simple, you still need top tier teams to take out half a top tier team. That is not right. A preloaded 60-65k leftover meta team should not walk over a well modded 100k tier 2 team. End of. It’s what has unbalanced the game. Actually... that is what makes journey characters viable as meta characters. Nothing more, nothing less. It might not be the best way and has nothing to do with a balanced system, that's the point that I agree with. But none of the Revans is the problem, it was the same back then when losing with golden squads against rebels with a g8 CLS, as long as he had his zetas. Power creep is the real problem and that's a long-term thing. I for my part am happy that at least this time it's a meta with some of my favourite Star Wars characters. o:)

Revan problems and solutions aug 2019

olly8987
6 years ago
Completely agree. This team has ruined GA and Arena. Coming up a Revan team better than yours completely shuts you down. Every other team can be overcome with a few teams against it. This hasn't been a problem before. It would be nice for the Devs to have a look at this.
ImTheChampion13
6 years ago
The problem isn’t that DR is unbeatable, the problem is that you were fighting against a team with preloaded TM. Of course DR will crush you in that situation, so would most other meta teams. Also, my guess is you were severely outclassed in gear/mods since you said all teams were “G11/12 and >200 speed”. Most DR teams have at least DR and Bastila at 300 speed, so if you’re only at like 250 AND they have preloaded TM they will run circles around you (each turn they take they get +75 speed from ferocity stacks).
If you have your teams properly geared and modded and don’t preload TM, you can beat DR with several of the teams you mentioned. If you want to practice against DR, I’d recommend either playing in the arena or forfeiting/hard shutting down each match you lose to prevent the preloaded TM.
Rath113
6 years ago
"Dirty_Litle_Smuggler;c-1925769" wrote:
The problem isn’t that DR is unbeatable, the problem is that you were fighting against a team with preloaded TM. Of course DR will crush you in that situation, so would most other meta teams. Also, my guess is you were severely outclassed in gear/mods since you said all teams were “G11/12 and >200 speed”. Most DR teams have at least DR and Bastila at 300 speed, so if you’re only at like 250 AND they have preloaded TM they will run circles around you (each turn they take they get +75 speed from ferocity stacks).
If you have your teams properly geared and modded and don’t preload TM, you can beat DR with several of the teams you mentioned. If you want to practice against DR, I’d recommend either playing in the arena or forfeiting/hard shutting down each match you lose to prevent the preloaded TM.

Congratulations, you have identified the problem but have shown exactly no understanding of the problem. This is not arena. This is every other area of the game. Where players post defence teams. If “use a better team” is your argument. Then how do you beat a Revan wall? Your answer would be “have a better revan wall” If you cannot see the problem with that answer, then I will not argue with you, as we are on very different pages. Simply put, meta is fine. Having a meta that needs another meta to beat it even when half strength is the problem. Over 80% of your roster is pointless. Honestly, please tell me how this is a good thing?
ImTheChampion13
6 years ago
Teams that can beat DR easily:
GR under padme
JKR
G13 Grievous (with IG-88/HK lead, BB8, T3, and L3)

Teams that can beat trio easily (even with preloaded turn meter):
GR under padme
JKR with pretaunt
CLS, Han, Chewie, 3PO, pretaunt (baze would be good)
And really good team with a pretaunt.

If you keep banging your head against the wall fighting a team that everyone else seems to be able to beat, change your tactics. Namely, if DR has preloaded TM you NEED to bring in a pretaunt character to prevent him from applying insanity to your entire team. Focus fire on dbastila, once she’s gone the team will fall apart.
CadoaBane
6 years ago
"Shadowdancer;c-1925986" wrote:
"Dirty_Litle_Smuggler;c-1925974" wrote:
Teams that can beat DR easily:
GR under padme
JKR
G13 Grievous (with IG-88/HK lead, BB8, T3, and L3)

Teams that can beat trio easily (even with preloaded turn meter):
GR under padme
JKR with pretaunt
CLS, Han, Chewie, 3PO, pretaunt (baze would be good)
And really good team with a pretaunt.

If you keep banging your head against the wall fighting a team that everyone else seems to be able to beat, change your tactics. Namely, if DR has preloaded TM you NEED to bring in a pretaunt character to prevent him from applying insanity to your entire team. Focus fire on dbastila, once she’s gone the team will fall apart.

You are still missing the point. You need meta to take down a half meta team barring god mods and rng gods. You are right, cls and JKR both would work in this scenario. I could have used either. GR only work if highly geared/modded., same for GG. That is not the point. It’s really simple, you still need top tier teams to take out half a top tier team. That is not right. A preloaded 60-65k leftover meta team should not walk over a well modded 100k tier 2 team. End of. It’s what has unbalanced the game.

Actually... that is what makes journey characters viable as meta characters. Nothing more, nothing less. It might not be the best way and has nothing to do with a balanced system, that's the point that I agree with. But none of the Revans is the problem, it was the same back then when losing with golden squads against rebels with a g8 CLS, as long as he had his zetas. Power creep is the real problem and that's a long-term thing. I for my part am happy that at least this time it's a meta with some of my favourite Star Wars characters. o:)
Rath113
6 years ago
"Dirty_Litle_Smuggler;c-1925769" wrote:
The problem isn’t that DR is unbeatable, the problem is that you were fighting against a team with preloaded TM. Of course DR will crush you in that situation, so would most other meta teams. Also, my guess is you were severely outclassed in gear/mods since you said all teams were “G11/12 and >200 speed”. Most DR teams have at least DR and Bastila at 300 speed, so if you’re only at like 250 AND they have preloaded TM they will run circles around you (each turn they take they get +75 speed from ferocity stacks).
If you have your teams properly geared and modded and don’t preload TM, you can beat DR with several of the teams you mentioned. If you want to practice against DR, I’d recommend either playing in the arena or forfeiting/hard shutting down each match you lose to prevent the preloaded TM.

Also, if we follow your point in GA, then how do you win if you have a lesser Revan team? You will have to use more than one team, and there will be pre loaded TM. And then you are fooked as you have likely used your other meta in defence. GA should not be decided by who has the best revan, but by who has the best top 8-10 teams. Devs have made a good stab at it but the revan (both) mechanic is still broken and you have offered no evidence to prove otherwise.
emvedebe
6 years ago
"Shadowdancer;d-210346" wrote:
DR team was knocked down to just DR, badstila and HK (all g13).
I practiced against these 3 toons with every tier 2/3 team I had (not cls or JKR). That 3 still beat easily good resistance/OR/scoundrel/ewok/troopers/traya/seps/ FO/ NS/ lesser DR team/ 92k padme team. All teams mix of g11/12 and >200 speed. (I am 4.7 GP)

You couldn't beat a gimped dr team without malak with all those teams? hmmm
emvedebe
6 years ago
"Finch1221;c-1925891" wrote:
"leef;c-1925856" wrote:
"Shadowdancer;d-210346" wrote:
DR team was knocked down to just DR, badstila and HK (all g13).
I practiced against these 3 toons with every tier 2/3 team I had (not cls or JKR). That 3 still beat easily good resistance/OR/scoundrel/ewok/troopers/traya/seps/ FO/ NS/ lesser DR team/ 92k padme team. All teams mix of g11/12 and >200 speed. (I am 4.7 GP)

You couldn't beat a gimped dr team without malak with all those teams? hmmm

Let me explain how the match goes, they all get first turns with pre loaded TM which gives them 5 stacks of feriocity with DR leadership means +75 speed, now if they have not yet infliced fear with that massive speed boost they will soon and as soon as the fear lands then it's over. As their ferocity stacks their speed spikes with their damage output. It's simple really but there is nothing you can do corrupted BM will be applied so there is no way of debuffing, shock and fear will not be far off and their speed only increases with their damage output therefore you lose any chance of winning without Revan or CLS to clean up. Maybe grevious could do something but you would need G13 to have any chance and thats hoping they dont kill him before he gets a turn.

So you're convinced you can't win vs those 3 if you don't have cls, revan or g13(!) grievous? hmmm
emvedebe
6 years ago
there's also has a lesser DR in that list of teams.
I don't know man, but it just seems an aweful lot like user error to me. Obviously a DR team, even when gimped, is hard to take down due to the kits. However, it's not like it's the only team that's hard to take down, especially not when you're using g11/12 toons vs g13 ones. That doesn't mean that it is a problem. Well, atleast not in my opinion.
GifafiTho
6 years ago
op is upset he can't beat three pre-loaded maxed g13 chars with tier 2/3 teams instead of using teams that can beat those chars?