Sion torment ability vs Revan team

the cooldown is reduced just after using the ability :(

Cd goes down for every character that resists pain on the turn torment is used. Theres no check of who has pain at the beggining of Sions turn that will reduce the cooldown.

Strategic Advantage clears debuffs if I recall correctly so it may be that pain got applied (and Held By Hatred cooldown reduced) and cleansed afterward

That is not how the language of the ability describes it. It says for each enemy without pain the cd is reduced. Not the cd is reduced for each enemy that resists pain. There is a clear difference. They even have abilities structured around this dynamic like cls and mt. This is a mistake

Deal Physical damage to all enemies and then dispel all buffs on them. Then, inflict Pain on all enemies for 3 turns. Reduce the cooldown of this ability by 1 for each enemy without Pain. This attack can't be Evaded.

If they don’t have pain, then they must have resisted it.

Read the spell detail above chronologically... Although it actually dispels then deals damage...

Dispel any buffs
Deal damage
Apply pain to all
Any enemies without pain reduces cooldown

So if you use it, and no enemies get pain on them, it reduces the CD by 5. (then once again the next time Sion takes a turn)

If you use it and one enemy gets pain, reduces cooldown by 4.

In all cases, as explained by other posters, the cooldown reduction ocurrs immediately after the skill is used. Not on next turn.

"Ninjah9;c-1688011" wrote:
That is not how the language of the ability describes it. It says for each enemy without pain the cd is reduced. Not the cd is reduced for each enemy that resists pain. There is a clear difference. They even have abilities structured around this dynamic like cls and mt. This is a mistake

Nope you misinterpreted : the check on Pain presence or not is immediately after application, turing the same turn.
When it's cleansed afterward has no effect on Torment's cooldown.
Check the Held By Hatred cooldown : if it's reduced by more than 1 then Pain was applied

Yeah so its imeadiately after. It should be more clear about that, that sucks