Just a quick heads up, this isn't a thread about adding or wanting Revan in the game, so if you thought this was clickbait or something you can go.-----One thing I think people are forgetting about Revan is that he isn't technically a OP person, even when you play the game. I think that most people forget that you have companions in the game to help you fight against those powerful forces of evil and villainy.Just because he was about to fight Darth Malak, who was empowered by the Starforge doesn't make him a Overpowering character, which I believe is also a factor to how SW:TOR ruined Revan for me. The fanbase raised Revan up as some all-powerful character when I believe that his actual strength lies in rallying his allies and using them strategically to win against the odds.Kreia from the KotOR II game once mentioned that the Jedi Exile and Revan both had the charismatic trait of rallying people under them and that this ability was truly one of their most powerful skills.If anyone would like to argue otherwise I would like to hear their opinion on the matter.

To begin with, revan was a master with both the light and dark side of the force, and was also one of the strongest force users (he beat Darth Malak while malak was drawing on an immense amount of darkside energy from the star forge)And, the Jedi Exile's charisma, as stated by Kreia, mostly comes from the ability to easily make force bonds. And don't forget that the Jedi Exile was immensely powerful too, being able to beat three Sith Lords, two of them by herself.SO revan had a kind of charisma the exile didn't have, and, also, revan beat vitiate, no easy feat.

"Setish;956224" wrote:To begin with, revan was a master with both the light and dark side of the force, and was also one of the strongest force users (he beat Darth Malak while malak was drawing on an immense amount of darkside energy from the star forge)What part of the game tells you that he is a master of light side and dark side force powers? I think when the game characters quote about Revan they are basing their analysis in comparison to their other peers when they call him powerful. I know that Revan could utilize both sides of the force, which in the words of Kyle Katarn from the Jedi Knight series claims there is no dark side and light side to the force powers themselves but it is about how you choose to use them. I kind of thought of Revan as the strategic learning type as he would analysis the force powers themselves and learn about their strength and weaknesses to avoid leaving themselves vulnerable to it's uses and exploit an opportunity if it was used against him.If you played the final boss fight with Malak, you were also able to take advantage of the captured Jedi that Malak imprisoned to drain their force energies. Choosing whether to use a light side power (regaining force points) or using a dark side power (which refilled your health) or just not at all. But I would assume to some extend that the canon ending had Revan do both in his duel with Malak so the were technically both utilizing the starforge during the duel and then Revan bested Malak with his lightsaber skills I guess."Setish;956224" wrote:And, the Jedi Exile's charisma, as stated by Kreia, mostly comes from the ability to easily make force bonds. And don't forget that the Jedi Exile was immensely powerful too, being able to beat three Sith Lords, two of them by herself.I don't mean to say the Jedi Exile wasn't powerful, since they have the ability to drain the force energy of others. I do wish to point out that Nihilus was severely weakened by Visa's connection to Nihilus as well as Nihilus attempting to feast on Telo when there was barely any Jedi there. In addition to that Nihilus also attempted to try and feast on the Jedi exile but that failed since they also possessed the same ability."Setish;956224" wrote:SO revan had a kind of charisma the exile didn't have, and, also, revan beat vitiate, no easy feat. I don't remember anywhere in SWTOR saying that Revan defeated Vitiate. I thought the Revan book established that Revan was defeated by Vitiate because of Scourge's betrayal.

You're right;Revan did fail to defeat vitiate; but that wasn't the lynch pin of my arguement :pI believe, And, cononically, revan didn't NOT draw on the star forge, revan just was *that* much stronger than malak.And the "there's is no light side or dark side of the force" Is a big debate through all of starwars, but I believe that by revan being both a sit lord, by later Jedi master (or equivielent), that would show his mastery of both.And if you think about it, drawing on near-death Jedi to gain force or health doesn't particularly show any leadership or charisma qualities, especially when, as you stated, it's possible to beat Malak without the assistance of the Jedi.But canonically, he probably didn't drain the health from the Jedi as that is, as you said, dark side, so he only probably would of drawn the "force power" out of the Jedi,But I honestly don't think he drew out of the Jedi at all, as doing so would kill them...(And that's why I said the Jedi exile beat 2 of the 3 Sith Lords by herself. Nihilus still would beat the shit out of anyone who wasn't also a wound in the force.)

"Setish;956255" wrote:You're right;Revan did fail to defeat vitiate; but that wasn't the lynch pin of my arguement :pI believe, And, cononically, revan didn't NOT draw on the star forge, revan just was *that* much stronger than malak.And the "there's is no light side or dark side of the force" Is a big debate through all of starwars, but I believe that by revan being both a sit lord, by later Jedi master (or equivielent), that would show his mastery of both.And if you think about it, drawing on near-death Jedi to gain force or health doesn't particularly show any leadership or charisma qualities, especially when, as you stated, it's possible to beat Malak without the assistance of the Jedi.But canonically, he probably didn't drain the health from the Jedi as that is, as you said, dark side, so he only probably would of drawn the "force power" out of the Jedi,But I honestly don't think he drew out of the Jedi at all, as doing so would kill them...(And that's why I said the Jedi exile beat 2 of the 3 Sith Lords by herself. Nihilus still would beat the **** out of anyone who wasn't also a wound in the force.)Oh, I just referenced that drain thing because it was just a game mechanic I think it says when you use the light side you make them one with the force while using a dark side power corrupts them just like when Malak does it but doing either renders Malak unable to use them and finishes the fight faster, rather than waiting for Malak to heal up 12 times and go through like 100 full medpacks to stay alive.

Revan never beat the emperor, he simply overcame his bonds to him. So in a way he did beat him mentally, just never in combat. Revan grew to understand the force as it was meant to be understood. The jedi were stubborn with peace, and the sith were blind with hate. Revan was so strong because he believed in Passion and peace, two principles that were divided between the sith and jedi for many years. It is hard to say for canon purposes, but Revan could probably wipe the floor with current generation jedi and sith alike, such as sidious/palpatine or someone like mace windu, due to his understand and strength in both sides of the force.

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MegatronShredder
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9 years ago
"Wildcats1203;957524" wrote:
You're basing this assumption solely on what occurs during KOTOR. Remember, during KOTOR Revan had recently been defeated, where it took an entire team of Jedi and Malak's betrayal to defeat him. Revan was rediscovering his power during KOTOR, which is why he seemed weaker. If you go beyond KOTOR, however, Revan is actually immensely powerful, and is able to use both the Light and Dark Sides, something very few have ever done.

Yet, Malak also makes references that you were still the same and that only not knowing your identity with the Jedi Council's reprogramming is what made you unique. To be honest, I haven't had the opportunity to really get indepth with the KotOR comic books because of lack of excess funds, so the only thing I know really is what I pull from Wookieepedia and the games.
NeroHeresy
9 years ago
"MegatronG1;98443" wrote:
Just a quick heads up, this isn't a thread about adding or wanting Revan in the game, so if you thought this was clickbait or something you can go.

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One thing I think people are forgetting about Revan is that he isn't technically a OP person, even when you play the game. I think that most people forget that you have companions in the game to help you fight against those powerful forces of evil and villainy.
Just because he was about to fight Darth Malak, who was empowered by the Starforge doesn't make him a Overpowering character, which I believe is also a factor to how SW:TOR ruined Revan for me. The fanbase raised Revan up as some all-powerful character when I believe that his actual strength lies in rallying his allies and using them strategically to win against the odds.

Kreia from the KotOR II game once mentioned that the Jedi Exile and Revan both had the charismatic trait of rallying people under them and that this ability was truly one of their most powerful skills.

If anyone would like to argue otherwise I would like to hear their opinion on the matter.

@MegatronG1
Ummmm did you play KOTOR 1? You do know it's possible to solo the ENTIRE GAME WITH JUST REVAN right? So yeah, he's POWERFUL.
MegatronShredder
New Traveler
9 years ago
"TronTheKhan;957572" wrote:
"MegatronG1;98443" wrote:
Just a quick heads up, this isn't a thread about adding or wanting Revan in the game, so if you thought this was clickbait or something you can go.

-----

One thing I think people are forgetting about Revan is that he isn't technically a OP person, even when you play the game. I think that most people forget that you have companions in the game to help you fight against those powerful forces of evil and villainy.
Just because he was about to fight Darth Malak, who was empowered by the Starforge doesn't make him a Overpowering character, which I believe is also a factor to how SW:TOR ruined Revan for me. The fanbase raised Revan up as some all-powerful character when I believe that his actual strength lies in rallying his allies and using them strategically to win against the odds.

Kreia from the KotOR II game once mentioned that the Jedi Exile and Revan both had the charismatic trait of rallying people under them and that this ability was truly one of their most powerful skills.

If anyone would like to argue otherwise I would like to hear their opinion on the matter.

@MegatronG1
Ummmm did you play KOTOR 1? You do know it's possible to solo the ENTIRE GAME WITH JUST REVAN right? So yeah, he's POWERFUL.

Is this before or after you have reached the max level?
Dreislao
9 years ago
You know he's not real right? He as a character is as powerful as the writers for KOTOR want to make him. I often find discussions like this on forums they lead to banal and ridiculous arguments. The simple facts being if a story requires it then it will happen. Be it a giant world eating robot or a super powerful god-like Sith. Making comparisons to other characters is pointless as in the context of their own respective stories they where as weak or as powerful as the writers needed them to be.

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