Tenacity Up is slowly killing this game!

"leef;c-1178924" wrote:
something i've noticed when discussing balance on this forum, pretty much everyone i disagree with loves to compare swgoh to card games.

Debuffs = OP -> counter = tenacity up = OP? -> counter = dispel/tenacity down/buff immunity.
I'd argue that the counter to the counter punishes plenty since you can use debuffs again eventhough the opponent tried to counter your debuffs with his tenacity up.
Imo something that doesn't require a counter simply sucks.

Indeed I sometimes compare the mechanics of swgoh to the one of Magic:The Gathering, or sometimes Chess, because they're turn-based I guess. Some compare it to an MMO, maybe from the angle of collecting & developing a roster?

I'd say it was rather:
1) Some debuffs went over the top (mass stun I guess) => counter = Tenacity Up.
In that process, every debuff that wasn't over the top and whoever relied on it went down the drain (Scoundrels, Jawas, half of the Empire, Nightsisters,...), as if those really needed to be side-nerfed.

2) Tenacity Up became the new elephant in the room => counter = mass-dispell
... which have quite likely also wiped out the "small business" buff-reliant characters which apply buffs with a cooldown (as opposed to auto)

3) As a second counter, we now see a new breed of debuffs which bypass tenacity altogether: Increase cooldown is the new Ability block; Fracture, Shred,...

4) Once those become OP, there is no longer a mechanic to counter them, unless something very specific such as "immune to Fracture".

Again, my gripe is just that there was a simple, easy mechanic to model this: potency vs. tenacity, as numbers. Tweaking numbers would have been a simple way to solve any problem with a given debuff or buff. Instead they went the way of the atomic bomb, wipe-them-all, and that decision made half of the available toons (even more ) irrelevant, and more to come, as they will be forced to make this available to more factions (staring with Ewoks this month).
And because it forces every new debuff to not be one, it's an open invite for a colony of bugs as certainly as that old sandwich rotting under the sofa is.