The Galactic Sith Players Discussion

Been trying out a full Sith team, here is one video, have a few others there too:

https://youtu.be/IWIZnWQFqBg

@Darth_Jay77 @Dwinkelm. Thanks that part is fairly easy, I was more stuck with determining how to get maul to have 100% tm after sith assassin uses dark shroud yet ensures nihilus gets as close to 99% tm. I want me team to go in a specific order on their first turn.

"6The6Bull6;934670" wrote:
@Darth_Jay77 @Dwinkelm. Thanks that part is fairly easy, I was more stuck with determining how to get maul to have 100% tm after sith assassin uses dark shroud yet ensures nihilus gets as close to 99% tm. I want me team to go in a specific order on their first turn.

I wanted to know this too but was unsure what the formula is, an answer would be very much appreciated thank you :)

"Hopelessly_Trying1;935220" wrote:

"6The6Bull6;934670" wrote:
@Darth_Jay77 @Dwinkelm. Thanks that part is fairly easy, I was more stuck with determining how to get maul to have 100% tm after sith assassin uses dark shroud yet ensures nihilus gets as close to 99% tm. I want me team to go in a specific order on their first turn.

I wanted to know this too but was unsure what the formula is, an answer would be very much appreciated thank you :)

Determining an exact formula is a little beyond my scope in math. As 6The6Bull6 implies, he wants DN to fall short of 100% TM after SA uses Dark Shroud in an attempt for Maul to go first and apply debuffs. When characters reach 100% TM simultaneously, then RNG decides who moves first, so this would be a good strategy if easily predictable. But it's both hard to predict and so difficult to execute, but lets investigate.

Using guess-and-check, you could plug in some numbers for both to see the difference in relative speeds. Just use the same formula for each toon. If both Maul and DN are going to be gaining 56% TM in total, the formula for relative speed will be (Base Speed/0.44) for each toon. Now let's use the hypothetical number of 1000 to simulate a full turn meter (you could use one, ten, a million, the math will all turn out the same).

For Maul relative speed: (base speed/0.44) = 1000
For DN relative speed: (base speed/0.44) = 1000

Once you have the two relative speeds, see how many "cycles" it would take each to get to 1000. Make sure that Maul is at least one full integer above DN.

Example:

Maul relative speed = 300
DN relative speed = 275

Maul moves in 1000/300 = 3.33 cycles
DN moves in 1000/275 = 3.63 cycles

Difference = 0.30 cycles, or not nearly enough difference to garauntee Maul moves first.


As you keep guessing-and-checking numbers to get to 1.0 cycles, eventually you figure out that DN would have to be incredibly slow, to the point of extreme liability, in order to guarantee the turn order you seek.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1yokxSs3yN5azBKZDhiU19YMDg/view?usp=sharing

i guess that this should work,
enter your maul speed and it shows you the max speed you can use on nihi, round down to make maul go first
or enter your nihi speed to see the minimun maul speed needed, round up to make maul go first

Updated: now i think it should be working properly
You can play with Sass/others's speed to know the speed needed for others to create an attacking order

I see the plan but I feel like it stunts him for the rest of the encounter... he has to be pretty damn slow. He's your dispel on team too so if you get locked into taunts with such low speed he's gonna be less useful

@Fahrius cheers man great math.

@Durrun I get your point but i feel that if a team was almost guaranteed to have dazed, cool down increased and stunned 3 or so of the opposition this is a VERY strong position to start in. And the tm gain from the zaul lead would mean his low spread wouldn't be as much of an issue.
But you could be right, its definitely worth a try tho I feel like it could be the way to go just because its less RNG dependant.

I fully support you testing this out good sir :) I just couldn't get it to happen and still have him at a comfortable speed to stay relevant at turn 2 and beyond... also I found myself layering the cooldown and stun on the same toons, while the stun helps nihilus get his big move the cooldown reduc went mostly unused since the character was stunned and couldn't act anyway

You are probably right tbh, its a good point about the stun over lapping. could still help with toons like sunfac or others which basics still have a big impact but those toons are becoming fewer and further between. Also apart from the tm boost I'm not too sold on Sith assassins kit.
Still I will probably give it a go and report back, I'm a few weeks off getting nihilus and assassin up to speed tho.

"Durrun;935472" wrote:
I see the plan but I feel like it stunts him for the rest of the encounter... he has to be pretty damn slow. He's your dispel on team too so if you get locked into taunts with such low speed he's gonna be less useful

Well my plan is zaul, Sith assassin, palp, nihilus, Gk. After the opening barrage the enemy should be forced to use basics and Gk will use negotiator and give all sith retribution, in my gw testing this has proved very effective at removing taunt and anything else that might happen to come up and reduces cd of force drain rapidly (have used it back to back). But that was with a regular maul lead the real problem comes with the extra tm at the start. I think I will try this team but just crank everyone's through the roof and let RNG decide.