What it’s like to run Padme in Arena vs G13 Malak......

"Jarvind;c-1954822" wrote:

"Shadowscream;c-1954243" wrote:

"Demo1ition;c-1954193" wrote:
What are the mods like and what's the kill order for making that work? There are 0 Padmes in my shards top 50.

• Slow Padme needs - 215 to 235 speed....slow! With Health Primaries at 6 dot. Aim for 75k+ health (before her bonus)
  
• GK - Fast and “Healthy”
  
• Ahsoka and JKA - Offence sets + Good speed secondaries, don’t worry about CC as Malak gets insane Crit Avoidance. Health set as 2nd set, Health Circle Primary.
  
• C3PO if you run him = fast +/- Potency.
  

• Padme - Cleanse/Heal - target STrooper/taunter + Ahsoka clears taunt.
  
• Extra step for me - GMY - Battle Meditation + point at any taunter, so Ahsoka clears it.
  
• GK mass assist - 1 shot HK
  
• Ahsoka - Special 1 shot Bastila
  
• JKA - 1 shot DR
  

Now stay alive and kill ST/Marauder and Malak.

Can you define "fast?" People have pretty different ideas of what "good speed" is depending on how brutal their shard is.

@Jarvind I’m 277 speed on my GK (all health mods), 4 including the arrow need 6 dot upgrade. 1 mod will be replaced as it’s slower than the other 5. So I’ll be aiming for 285+ on GK (health mods).

I'm running a similar team but can't get out of the sea of Jedi Knight Revans surrounding me - any advice?

I don't think the all health primaries is a good approach.

A health primary will give 0.16*1.5= 0.24 extra health. The same percentage as a protection primary.
If you compare the stats at g13, Padme has 36500 health and 54690 protection. You can clearly see you get quite more from protection.

Now you would say: that maybe so but you get a lot of protection up buffs with this team and protection up is based on max health so it will be better besides the difference.

That is Wrong.
Well, most of the time it's wrong.

24% of 36500 is 8760. A 10% is just 876.
24% of 54690 is 13125.
The difference is 4365.
To cope for this 4365 difference you need a 50% protection up boost (876*5=4380)

And that +50% protection up boost will last until the start of her next turn as it will be converted to Courage while the protection primary boost will not fade away.

That's for 1 mod, if you put 2 protection primaries you'll need +100% protection up boost to get equal benefits with health primaries.

And another issue against bigger max health comes from Malak's Drain Life ability which is based on max health and will do more damage with an all health primaries Padme.

"Juzz;c-1955063" wrote:
I don't think the all health primaries is a good approach.

A health primary will give 0.16*1.5= 0.24 extra health. The same percentage as a protection primary.
If you compare the stats at g13, Padme has 36500 health and 54690 protection. You can clearly see you get quite more from protection.

Now you would say: that maybe so but you get a lot of protection up buffs with this team and protection up is based on max health so it will be better besides the difference.

That is Wrong.
Well, most of the time it's wrong.

24% of 36500 is 8760. A 10% is just 876.
24% of 54690 is 13125.
The difference is 4365.
To cope for this 4365 difference you need a 50% protection up boost (876*5=4380)

And that +50% protection up boost will last until the start of her next turn as it will be converted to Courage while the protection primary boost will not fade away.

That's for 1 mod, if you put 2 protection primaries you'll need +100% protection up boost to get equal benefits with health primaries.

And another issue against bigger max health comes from Malak's Drain Life ability which is based on max health and will do more damage with an all health primaries Padme.

This is wrong! Read her Leadership.

She gives +50% to max health AND its that new health stat that generates Protection Up.
So my Padme (not finished 6 dot mods yet....) = 73k Health + another 50% and then 63k Protection + Protection Up.

As for Drain Life - I find GK (the taunter) can usually take 1 in the face but even if he dies the rest of the DR team is dead. It’s then 4 vs 1 and Malak can’t survive that unless JKA manages to fail to land a debuff twice in a row.

@Shadowscream
I have read and I understand her leadership.

I'll do the math again as you have not fully get what I calculated. Instead of using just the add from the health primary I'll put the full health change.


This is what a health primary stat adds:

36500 *1.16 = 42340
With her lead it gets to 63510 = (42340*1.5)

Without the health primary and with her lead:
36500* 1.5=  54750

So 63510 minus 54750 equals 8760. That's the amount gained from having one primary health mod vs not having it.
As you can see is the same number I provided above and equals 24% of base Health. 24% equals the 16% times +50% of lead.

The protection change from protection primary is:
54690*1.24= 67815


Just for the sake of clarity I'll put an example with 2 health primaries vs 2 protection primaries and add up the Health and protection.

_A will be 2 health primaries, _B will be 2 protection primaries

Health_A: (36500*(1+0.16+0.16) * 1.5 = 72270
Protection_A : 54690
Health_A + Protection_A = 126960
10%ProtecionUp_A gain: 7227

Health_B: (36500*(1+0)* 1.5 = 54750
Protection_B : 54690*(1+0.24+0.24) =80941
Health_B + Protection_B = 135691
10%ProtecionUp_B gain: 5475

So with option _A you start the match with 8731 less overall healh+prot

Now as the match goes on, you get protection up buffs.

With a protection up of 10%, _A gets 1752 more. So in order to _A be higher than _B (8731 difference) you need Padme to have 5 protection up to overcome the difference.

_A with 50% prot up gets +36250. Added to 126960 gets you a Total_A of 163210

_B with 50% prot up gets +27375.
Added to 135691 gets you a Total_B of 163066


I was wrong on the 10 protection up attacks (added when writing but didnt do the math) but as you can see the rest is as how I have said before:

Protection up primaries get better overall health+prot with little cost on the protection up gains.
And that can be even better with health% secondaries on the protection-primary mods

On my team I usually have so much protection up that my attackers have 25+ stacks of courage.
So the protection up factor is huge - they live long enough to unleash 1 shot attacks on HK, Fastila and DR. The protection isn’t even in play until it’s 5 vs 1 (or 4 vs 1 if GK died) against Malak.

So I still say health.....live, eliminate 4/5s of the team, then worry about Malak.