Yoda Immediate bonus turn not immediate

Bonus turns resolution were adjusted with the new overflow mechanic.

So if two units both have a bonus turn, turn order is:

1 - Unit with the highest Turn Meter overflow value

2 - If multiple units are tied with the exact same Turn Meter overflow value, the unit with the highest Speed will act

3 - If multiple units are tied with the exact same Turn Meter overflow value and the same Speed, one of them will be chosen randomly

"Enigmatic_Potato;c-2172504" wrote:
Bonus turns resolution were adjusted with the new overflow mechanic.

So if two units both have a bonus turn, turn order is:

1 - Unit with the highest Turn Meter overflow value

2 - If multiple units are tied with the exact same Turn Meter overflow value, the unit with the highest Speed will act

3 - If multiple units are tied with the exact same Turn Meter overflow value and the same Speed, one of them will be chosen randomly

I believe OP refers to the wording "immediate bonus turn" as opposed to "bonus turn" - not the recent update to the mechanics.

IIRC the devs specifically coded yoda's ability to work as intended (always take immediate turn and can't be interrupted by another character) Since Yoda's ability specifically says take an immediate bonus turn. Yoda masterstrike and Thrawn TM swap were immediate turns.

Previously Yoda's kit prevented other characters from interrupting his "Immediate" bonus turn since that destroys the main utility of Yoda if his immediate turn is interrupted and he can not spread the buffs he stole. Same with Thrawn.

devs fixed the interaction of someone interrupting Yodas bonus turn to make Yodas ability immediate. It would be odd that they intentionally broke Yoda's immediate turn again without announcing a nerf.

Here is a just one discussion about Yoda and thrawn from last year. I can't find the dev post where devs confirmed Yoda should be immediate but maybe Kyno can locate it. It was a popular post.

https://forums.galaxy-of-heroes.starwars.ea.com/discussion/210612/question-regarding-gmy-bonus-turn-from-masterstroke

There were many discussions about bonus turn and immediate bonus turn and how the devs intended certain kits to play out in combat.

Thawn and Yoda should be the only two who get immediate guaranteed uninterrupted bonus turn, Yoda on masterstroke and thrawn on his TM swap.

I know CG changed turn meter ties but CG didn't change the definition of immediate. If a kit says immediate something that somethinrg should be the very next thing to happen.

Yeah, i agree with you OP. I think that the description does not match the effect. Could upgrade either, i would not mind.

GMY immediate turn was way before bonus turn was normalized as the terminology moving forward

It’s basically a bonus turn and the last bonus turn to proc goes first

So GG bonus turn procs after GMY’s hence he goes first similar to how JKA attacking Malak makes him go over Padme

"Ultra;c-2172552" wrote:
GMY immediate turn was way before bonus turn was normalized as the terminology moving forward

It’s basically a bonus turn and the last bonus turn to proc goes first

So GG bonus turn procs after GMY’s hence he goes first similar to how JKA attacking Malak makes him go over Padme

The order in which they gained the bonus turns is irrelevant. Who goes next depends on turnmeter overflow and in case of ties it depends on speed.

"Kyno;c-2172564" wrote:

"StarSon;c-2172557" wrote:

"Ultra;c-2172552" wrote:
GMY immediate turn was way before bonus turn was normalized as the terminology moving forward

It’s basically a bonus turn and the last bonus turn to proc goes first

So GG bonus turn procs after GMY’s hence he goes first similar to how JKA attacking Malak makes him go over Padme

This is no longer the case. GG or B2 will go first because they will have TM overflow and GMY will not. As seen in a similar thread the other day.

B2 does not gain a bonus turn, can you provide any help in getting information about this. I have yet to see any, and they have not been able to reproduce B2 going before GMY after using master stroke. Thanks.

anyone seeing B2 take a turn before GMY after he uses master stroke should report this as a bug. B2 gains 100% TM, which should in no way override a bonus turn, no matter how much overflow they have.

Oh sure. I retract the statement about B2. But GG's unique gives him a bonus turn. So just like in that other thread (I think about Han), GG has starting TM when he gets a bonus turn and GMY does not.

Edit: it wasn't Han, it was about Padme and JKA interrupting Vader's Massacre.

"Ultra;c-2172579" wrote:
Maybe I’m wrong and immediate turn is not considered a bonus turn but a 100% TM gain if other toons with overfill are able to take a turn before a faster GMY

the exact wording is "immediate Bonus turn". so this is a bonus turn, not 100% TM.

I believe real question is was the intent of using the word immediate for the bonus turn there to imply some sort of "Thrawn type" treatment, or just verbiage used at the time and his bonus turn is no different than anyone elses. This is what I asked, and will try to answer, please let me know if I am missing something.

"Kyno;c-2172590" wrote:

"StarSon;c-2172584" wrote:

NOTE #1: Units who have been granted a bonus turn are subject to the same rules, but they will take their turn before anyone who has not been granted a bonus turn. If there are multiple units with a bonus turn, the order is determined by the same criteria: highest overflow, then highest speed, then randomly.

NOTE #1: Units who have been granted a bonus turn are subject to the same rules, but they will take their turn before anyone who has not been granted a bonus turn. If there are multiple units with a bonus turn, the order is determined by the same criteria: highest overflow, then highest speed, then randomly.

This is why I believe it is WAI, but it can't hurt to ask if there was an intention of "special treatment" that could be implied by the verbiage used in the ability.

For sure. Full clarification would be nice. But it would be work for them to make it so Yoda goes next regardless, and work if they want to change the JKA/Padme/Vader interaction, and whatever else. So they're just going to say "yeah, that's how it works."

"StarSon;c-2172594" wrote:

"Kyno;c-2172590" wrote:

"StarSon;c-2172584" wrote:

NOTE #1: Units who have been granted a bonus turn are subject to the same rules, but they will take their turn before anyone who has not been granted a bonus turn. If there are multiple units with a bonus turn, the order is determined by the same criteria: highest overflow, then highest speed, then randomly.

NOTE #1: Units who have been granted a bonus turn are subject to the same rules, but they will take their turn before anyone who has not been granted a bonus turn. If there are multiple units with a bonus turn, the order is determined by the same criteria: highest overflow, then highest speed, then randomly.

This is why I believe it is WAI, but it can't hurt to ask if there was an intention of "special treatment" that could be implied by the verbiage used in the ability.

For sure. Full clarification would be nice. But it would be work for them to make it so Yoda goes next regardless, and work if they want to change the JKA/Padme/Vader interaction, and whatever else. So they're just going to say "yeah, that's how it works."

yes we (they) know how it works, the question is the intent. they will talk about intent and make changes to suit said intent. I.e.- Thrawn.

also there was a post about CLS and his ability now almost guaranteeing he will not go next in a rebel team. This is being looked at from the larger purpose of intent, as if they address this change, it will not be on a 1 by 1 basis, they will make 1 broad stroke round of changes to follow the intent of the design and be done with it. but thats part of a larger conversation, so we are still waiting to see how that pans out.