@rosemow, thanks, I'll have to check around for those options for PlantSims. I am pretty sure the life state is always temporary, and would be fine with that if it is the same for everyone. That's all I've ever seen in my limited YouTube experience anyway. I haven't even gotten around to them in TS3, but I remember really liking them in TS2. I especially remember being able to get creative with their houses, since their needs coincide with being outdoors. I used to do more outdoor living rooms so that they got plenty of sun while they met their other needs.