Sims all look the same!

I'd thank you to note that that "tutorial" was aimed squarely at those who persist in coming into the TS3 section of the forum and disparaging the game by saying that "Oh, I HATE TS3 because I can't make sims look different. They all look the same, therefore Sims 3 is bad." It wasn't aimed at those who already know how to work the sliders.

I'm getting fed up of the dammed vitriol directed at TS3 by those who don't bother taking the time to learn how to use the sliders correctly and then proceed to slam TS3 at every turn. The error for them lies between the mouse hand and the opposite hand interface.

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"JayedTadaSkier;c-16838621" wrote:

"JoAnne65;c-16834444" wrote:

Comparing Sims 3 and 4 CAS makes Sims 4 the ‘winner’. As for sims though? Not for me. In game they tend to look the same unless you make them really cartoony, a lot gets lost due to facial expressions. And the art style gives them a plastic look, I prefer Sims 3’s texture. A problem in Sims 3 is the fact they didn’t really pay attention to bone structure or ethnics. But sims most definitely don’t have to all look alike. If they did, it wouldn’t be possible to link sims to their creators. In fact I’d be surprised if you can in Sims 4. Sims in 3 somehow have a ‘trademark’ that reveals who created them (if you know the simmer and their sims obviously). Sims in 4 don’t have that trademark, they could be anyone’s.

In 3 faces are a bunch of puzzle pieces as well by the way. That’s why I love playing with genetics in the game. ‘Composing’ a new face by combining the right parents. And the ‘playing with clay’ statement concerning Sims 4 isn’t true, even when it appears that way. It’s all sliders, just like in Sims 3. They just make you control those sliders differently.

Hey, just wanna clarify here! I said the Sims 3 was like playing with Clay, not the Sims 4, because you're using the same base face and simply tweaking certain aspects of the 3D model. In the Sims 4, you're actively swapping out parts of the 3D model. TS3 is like molding a clay nose onto a face, TS4 is like chopping off the clay if you don't like it in favor of another clay nose that you then mold.

Also, about the faces and puzzles, I didn't mean it being like a puzzle you figure out, lol. I just used it as a metaphor to explain how the different presets in TS4 are actually different base models, and how in TS3 the presets are just slider presets instead of changing anything fundamental. Not saying one is better in practice than the other, just explaining how TS4 has actually different presets :D

Yes, sorry, I was indeed confusing things there (the ‘moulding’ aspect in Sims 4 and the playing with clay comparison you were using here, thanks for clarifying). I’m not sure if that’s entirely true though, in Sims 3 you can choose different basic faces, defaults, as well. The problem is, that they did a real poor job where facial bone structure is concerned. That makes it harder to create variety than it is in 4 I agree, but Sims 4 suffers as well from this ‘similar face’ syndrom, within the different basic choices you get (it just seriously shows, I see everyone playing with each other’s sims in pictures). Plus the facial animations in the game make faces look identical too, more so than in Sims 3.

"Mikezumi;c-16839261" wrote:
@Bubbz3388 Pudding can never been unseen! :scream: This is one of the reasons that I can't play IFs. I know I could change them once they are made human but, to me, they will always be pudding.

That I can’t follow, sorry. It’s perfectly possible to unsee pudding when you change a face in the game. Pull two sliders and it’s unseen;) I adjust puddingfaces in the game all the time, I find it fun actually. My next heir has an IF I’m planning to bring to life. Actually looking forward to completely adjusting him except for his hair colour.

@JoAnne65 I realize people modify pudding all the time and are fine with it. Lots of people even play with pudding sims and are fine with it. I was speaking for myself and I can't unsee it in my mind's eye.

I intensely dislike the term pudding and use the term EA sim instead. EA sims can be fixed and don't need to look at all like an EA sim if you choose to fix them. It is the same as those who are derogatory about all sims looking the same. If you choose not to tweak them of course they will all look similar and an EA sim will always look like an EA sim if you don't want to fix them. EA/Maxis expected you to change the sims to suit your style, hence the sliders to change them and the ability to build your own. Background sims don't really bother me with the way they look as my sims rarely interact with them other than buying an occasional pizza, watching the family dog chase the mailman down the block, or riding in their taxi etc. With a few tweaks Autumn and some of the others are adorable. It think it is very easy to forget what they once were when I make them mine. I will also change outfits if something is particularly hideous or bizarre.

"Mikezumi;c-16839964" wrote:
@JoAnne65 I realize people modify pudding all the time and are fine with it. Lots of people even play with pudding sims and are fine with it. I was speaking for myself and I can't unsee it in my mind's eye.

I appreciate that of course, that you were speaking for yourself ;) “Pudding can never be unseen!” sounded a bit more factual than that though and like I said I just can’t really follow it, because you can create a completely new sim and get rid of all the pudding, quite easily really. The starting point bothering you is probably purely psycholigical I guess (because I can’t imagine there’s a way of telling whether a sim someone created started off as a default or not). I regret it supports the opinion of Sims 3 slaters creating sims in Sims 3 is a lost case really, because I strongly disagree with that statement (the term ‘pudding’ is often used in general, not just regarding sims with all sliders in the middle). Just pull some sliders and it’s really fine, regardless how your sim looked when you started, objectively I mean.

What @bekkasan says, basically ;)

When I refer to pudding I am not referring to EA premades. Pudding sims are game generated default sims that have all sliders set at 0. Each world comes with pizza delivery, mail carriers, etc. that are not pudding. They are homeless but not game generated, probably having been made by the same people who made the residents.

Of course I can't tell what another simmer used as a base for their sims, nor do I care. I can only play my game in my way and 0 slider sims are off the table for me.

Tweaked her a little more:
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Formerly a ZERO-slider sim.

@Mikezumi I do realize that random generated sims are 0 sliders. They are they background sims and I call them EA sims as well as the NPC's and townies, role sims, homeless etc that may or may not be randomized. Easily changed if they bug folks is the point. If it doesn't bug you, don't change them. If it bugs folks they are easily changed and the result is they don't look the same. We can't change the way EA sims are randomized, but we can change their looks if we choose. Well, with Nraas you can change some of them (immigrants I believe) to be generated from your personal bin genetics, but not all. That is the great thing about this game is that we can play our way and change or not change as we choose, especially with mods and sliders. :smiley:

What I like starting out with is an Elder Sim. :blush:

I random them and start to make them look interesting and then age the down to an adult... and giggle. :lol:

Down to a teen and edit, up to an adult and laugh.

Down to a child and edit back up to an adult- that's when I start to make them over. It gives me some interesting Sims- not always good.

I like aging them up and down to see how they'll look. :)