Amazon has a release date of December 2014 - I think that is wrong...
Thanks for the links -
Man that forum looks exactly like Origins forum. They definitely do not allow threads on Origin like our WE thread though - so I hope it only looks like Origins and is not truly Origin. They also do not allow anything discussed - no pics - no complaints. They send you right to the help thingy if you have a complaint - seems you can't just complain, you must do it officially apparently.
Granted I have not been in the Origin forums for a couple months, but it was completely annoying to post something you didn't like and then get sent to the knowledge Q & A area - and come back and the post was gone. That Q & A is not from official people giving you info but info other simmers post. It is worse than our tech boards - at least our tech boards have a moderators or two and actual people who know somewhat of what they are talking about. Over at Origin the only way to get a knowledgeable person is to do the chat and you only get that after searching endlessly and not finding anything related to what you are searching. Their forum really stinks. It was better 6 months ago than it was the last time I tried it.