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Re: Best used desktop to run Sims 3?

@MAWriterGirl  The second computer is much better than the first.  Its processor is four years newer, which is helpful both for the CPU itself and for the motherboard.  But much more importantly, it has a dedicated graphics card.  While a 1030 will likely struggle a bit with the most demanding packs (Pets, then Seasons), you should be able to get smooth play by tweaking the settings a bit.  (If you want help with this process, just ask, but only when you have the computer in front of you.)  The 1030 at least ten times faster in gaming than the integrated chip in the 13-year-old i5-650; to say it's not even a competition would be an understatement.

It's always a risk buying used, whether from Amazon or elsewhere, but this second one at least has a 90-day guarantee.  So you'd have time to run benchmarks and stress tests and send the computer back if it failed.  I can help with those too; the software you'd want to use is free and simple enough to set up.

Both these computers have more than enough storage.  For the monitor, yes, you can buy a used one, it's not a problem.  For the first one, you'd want a monitor that uses a VGA connection; for the second, the 1030 should have an HDMI and a DVI port.  (You'd want to plug the monitor into the GPU, not the motherboard.)

For your other questions:

1.  I've heard a couple people say they can't download the Super Patch, but I've had no trouble on a few different computers.  It may be that the link uses http instead of https, but that doesn't mean the link itself won't work.  If one browser doesn't cooperate, try another.  Here's the direct download link, which points to EA servers:

http://akamai.cdn.ea.com/eadownloads/u/f/sims/sims3/patches/TS3_1.67.2.0240xx_update.exe

2.  I would look into this again on the new computer, and try using Firefox.  The store doesn't seem to get along with most other browsers.

3.  This sounds more and more like a browser or security settings issue, and again, I'd look into it once you have the new computer set up.

4.  Yes, stuff packs add only a small amount of overhead to the game, and you should be able to play with all of them at the same time.  Whether you can play with most or all expansions depends on the computer you get.  Like I said, you might need to make some compromises with the 1030, especially if it's the slower of the two designs Nvidia released for the card.  But at worst, you might need to disable certain pets and wild horses and perhaps avoid snow; you wouldn't need to disable half your expansions.

There's nothing in your dxdiag that explains the problems you've listed other than the fact that the computer is old and has weak hardware.  The dxdiag doesn't even list the processor, which could be a random glitch or a sign of a serious system issue, but I can see enough to be completely unsurprised that Sims 3 would run poorly on it.  As for the downloading issues, I still suspect browser settings or perhaps an antivirus, but that's a question best left for when you're setting up a new computer anyway.

@thesims1depot  I'm sorry, but I have to completely disagree with your claim that Sims 3 can run on any quad-core with 4 GB RAM.  In fact, I think it's highly irresponsible to post that given how verifiably untrue it is.  Windows 10 will use 2 GB RAM by itself even without any bloatware, and I can show you Sims 3 saves that use more than 2 GB just on loading.  Your saves may use less, but you can't know someone else's playstyle or how long they'd like their saves to last.  And Sims 3 responds very badly to having its data paged out, so it's not merely a question of letting the OS manage memory effectively.

Additionally, not all quad-core CPUs are created equal, and there are plenty of dual-cores that are more powerful than older quad-cores.  As for the graphics card or chip, I have enough hwifno logs to see what happens when the GPU can't keep up with the demands of Sims 3.  It's actually worse on newer systems than on old ones, which may be why you haven't seen it, but I have.  One example I remember is someone who's game crashed every single time it rained or snowed—the iGPU was running at 98% capacity at the time and just couldn't meet the demands put on it, and then the game would crash.  This happened even on low settings.  This computer was made perhaps three or four years ago, and its iGPU was significantly better than a GT 710, although slower than a 1030.

No one is depicting Sims 3 as a AAA game needing an overpowered gaming PC.  Computers with a GTX 1050 can be very cheap on Ebay or bought from friends, and a 1050 itself can be had for about $30 on Ebay.

Finally, the worst advice you can give someone on a tight budget is to buy a low-end computer that doesn't actually meet their needs.  Then they've spent all of their money and don't have anything to show for it, and they may not be able to return the product either.

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  • MAWriterGirl's avatar
    MAWriterGirl
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    3 years ago
    @puzzlezaddict Thanks again for the clear and concise advice. I appreciate all your help so much! I just attempted to access the link you provided above, and my dratted PC wouldn't download it, claiming security issues. It's a great machine for all the other things I use it for, but when it comes to the Sims, I get pretty frustrated with it. I've used Firefox for years, so that's already my go-to browser.

    As soon as I buy and receive the new computer, I'll be back for more advice and instructions -- thanks once again!
  • MAWriterGirl's avatar
    MAWriterGirl
    Seasoned Rookie
    3 years ago

    @puzzlezaddictOkay, so I received the new computer, then spent several hours setting it up, installing the game along with the EPs and SPs I'm currently playing.  I double-click on the icon for the game, get the launcher, try to run it -- and it goes to a black screen, then shows me a weird white top and left-side border for a few seconds before the screen goes back to black and then returns to the desktop image.  The game won't run on the computer and I'm not sure what I'm doing wrong.  I bought the Amazon machine, and it's working fine otherwise; I'm posing this question with the new computer.  Is there any way to find out what went wrong?  Thanks ...

  • puzzlezaddict's avatar
    puzzlezaddict
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    3 years ago

    @MAWriterGirl  Try forcing the game to launch in windowed mode.  Go into Documents > Electronic Arts > The Sims 3, open options.ini, ctrl-F to search for fullscreen , and set it to 0 (zero).  If this works, you can switch back to fullscreen at the Main Menu, but at the same time, also switch to your monitor's native resolution.

    If that doesn't help, please run a dxdiag and attach it to a post.

    https://help.ea.com/en-us/help/pc/how-to-gather-dxdiag-information/

    Please also let me know whether you've installed any mods or custom content so far.

  • thesims1depot's avatar
    thesims1depot
    Seasoned Ace
    3 years ago

    @MAWriterGirl What model computer did you get? If by "Amazon machine" you meant the "Dell Gaming 7020 SFF", then you got scammed by a third party vendor at Amazon that is taking an old business model called the Optiplex 7020 (released in 2013) and converting them into a fake gaming computer. Apparently, it was a fad on YouTube to take this old business computer and turn into a "monster rig" with spare parts. Some of the builders took things to the next level and apparently convinced Amazon to sell these Frankenbuilds as "refurbished."

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f25UJrfjAi0&t=43s

  • MAWriterGirl's avatar
    MAWriterGirl
    Seasoned Rookie
    3 years ago
    @thesims1depot That's just my typical crappy luck. I haven't been able to try the idea that @puzzlezaddict gave me above as yet, but if it doesn't work, at least (fortunately) I have a 90-day guarantee on the computer and I can return it. Which naturally puts me back at Square One, so I'll look at Newegg.com as you suggested earlier. Thanks very much for the heads-up on this!
  • puzzlezaddict's avatar
    puzzlezaddict
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    3 years ago

    @MAWriterGirl  If you post a dxdiag, I'll be able to see most of the comptuer's internal components.  The power supply won't be listed, but you can find its specs by looking at the unit itself.  Rather than get into speculation about what might or might not be inside the system, I figured it was easier to just ask.

    If you do decide to return this system, for whatever reason, and want to computer-shop in the future, feel free to reach out.  It's also worth considering whether you'd be willing to buy a used computer from someone local, either from a friend or on Craigslist.  It's certainly a risk buying from someone you don't know, but there are also tests you can run, in-person, that give you a good idea of whether the computer is currently in decent shape.

    One other approach would be to build your own computer.  Used components in the "runs Sims 3 on ultra settings" range are relatively cheap, well within your budget if you're patient.  And while building a computer can be intimidating, it's also a fun process that can teach you a lot about hardware.

    Whatever you decide to do, feel free to ask whatever questions you have, and I'll be around.

  • MAWriterGirl's avatar
    MAWriterGirl
    Seasoned Rookie
    3 years ago

    @puzzlezaddictThe dxdiag for the new computer is attached.  The sticker on the top of the tower says it's a Dell Optiplex 9020 SF; it runs fine as long as I'm not trying to play the game, but of course that was what I wanted it for.  When it's running, it makes an endless rapid clacking sound (I think it's the exhaust fan), which I'm sure isn't supposed to be the case.  When I first attempted to run the game, I had installed the same two EPs and SPs I'm currently playing with on my other computer.  At this time I don't use mods in my game (mostly because I'm not sure my computer will deal well with them), and I hadn't yet installed any CC.  After I found that the game crashed instantly, I uninstalled everything but the base game and tried running it like that, with the same result.  As to other options ... I'm not sure I have the mechanical aptitude to build my own computer, and I don't have a computer-geek friend, but I'll keep looking around to see what I can find and will certainly vet my next "discovery" with you, thank you so much.

    @thesims1depotAt the moment I don't have a credit card (though I'm about to get one, especially now); if I'd had one earlier, I wouldn't have had quite such a strict budget limit.  Once I get a card, though, I'll have some more leeway with pricing, since I'll be able to make payments on a purchase price and not have to cough up the whole thing at once.  I'll keep a sharp eye on the manufacturer websites; thanks very much for that.

    I have another thought.  I'm tentatively playing with some of the graphics settings in the game on my current PC.  If I play with fewer EPs and SPs installed, does that give me any room to make further adjustments to the settings so I can maximize the draw distance and the mirror/water-reflection settings?  Everything else is at the minimum setting and I don't mind leaving them that way, but I did want to play with the draw distance in particular.  I adjusted the reflector setting to apply just to mirrors and that seems to work, even though my game likes to freeze up at 11;59 PM every Sim night, then go forward till 12:59 AM, freeze, and make several additional short freezes for the next 15-20 Sim minutes before running more smoothly again.  I figured it had to do with installing the second stuff pack.  For all that my current PC and the game tend to argue with each other every so often, at least it's willing to run the game, which is more than I can say for the new one. 🙂  Anyway, many thanks to both of you for all your generous help!

  • puzzlezaddict's avatar
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    3 years ago

    @MAWriterGirl  Your computer has the processor, graphics card, RAM, and storage that its product page advertised, at least.  However, you've plugged your monitor into the motherboard, not the graphics card.  Please fix that; you're not getting any benefit from the card and are running everything through the integrated chip.  I like to borrow this diagram from someone else:

    The graphics card should have HDMI and DVI ports, and it looks like you're currently using HD15 for the monitor, so you may need an adapter, but those are cheap.

    Please also update the Nvidia graphics driver.  You can get the newest one here:

    https://www.nvidia.com/Download/driverResults.aspx/200382/en-us/

    Run the installer as an admin: right-click on the download and select "Run as administrator."  Choose the Custom (not Express) option and check the box to perform a clean install.  Restart your computer after installing and before trying to play.

    For the clacking sound, make sure there isn't a fan cable or something else catching the fan.  You can just open the case and have a look, maybe spin the fan slowly and see what happens.

  • MAWriterGirl's avatar
    MAWriterGirl
    Seasoned Rookie
    3 years ago

    @puzzlezaddict  It took me a week to follow all the advice you gave me in the last post, primarily because of work; but after several hours of following your instructions, installing games and EPs, transferring my saved games and CC, and then starting up the game ... it works!  Everything is in terrific working order and I was even able to download and install the last patch, not to mention being able to install and use some CC that my older computer refused to have anything to do with.  I've been slack-jawed over the graphics and the goodies that have come with the patch, and I can hardly wait to install more EPs and SPs.  Thank you SO much for all your help; it's been invaluable, and I never would have been able to complete the whole setup alone.  You've been a truly amazing help and I'm really grateful.

    My new computer has gotten past the clacking from the exhaust fan as well; I tinkered with it a bit and now it runs nice and quiet.  The sound, though, comes through the tower speaker, which renders it very tinny; I couldn't get either headphones or speakers to work with it.  I figure I can live with that for now, at least till I get used to all the amazing new changes in my game; I may be back later to ask if there's any possibility of improving the sound quality.

    Also: my next goal is to download Aurora Skies from the Sims 3 store; but whenever I click on the Buy SimPoints button, it kicks me to the home screen for EA.  I tried it on both computers and it's the same problem on both.  Is there a way around this?  Thanks again!

  • puzzlezaddict's avatar
    puzzlezaddict
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    3 years ago

    @MAWriterGirl  I'm so glad to hear everything, or at least almost everything, is working correctly.  For the sound devices, you might need to plug one in and restart to give Windows a chance to install and initialize the correct device driver.  It should just be plug-n-play, but sometimes things don't work correctly.  You might also ask your friends to loan you different devices so you can try them out; when you find one that works, consider buying something similar.

    For the SimPoints issue, you'll need to install the EA App.  You can download it from here:

    https://www.ea.com/ea-app

    Sign in using the same email address and password you use on the Store site.  Open your game library, click Sims 3, click the DLC button at the top of the page, and "The Sims 3 Currency" should be the first entry.  If you don't see it, search for the same name, and it should show up in the App's store.  Buying from here will add the points directly to the account that you're signed into at the moment.  You can uninstall the App when you're done.

    If you have a disc install, make sure the App doesn't detect it and try to patch your game.  You'd see the progress bar in the lower-left corner.  (The App won't touch a Steam install.)  Or you could install the App on a separate computer if you prefer.  Sims 3 doesn't need to be installed in order for the App to allow purchases.

    Unfortunately, there hasn't been a way to buy without the App since EA took down the old Origin website in December.

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