Re: Will The Sims 3 Ruin my Macbook Pro? (running on Bootcamp)

@puzzlezaddict Thank you so much for the answer, it was very insightful! However, I do have some more questions. So far I've been playing my sims 3 game with all EPs except for WA, ITF, Showtime, and University Life. I personally have only noticed some lag here and there along with some freezing for 20 seconds but nothing too major. My graphics looks fine to me and I only allow myself to play 3 times a week max at 5 hours max and making sure to take a 30 minute break after every hour I play so I can allow my computer to cool down and also get other stuff done. I ordered a cooling fan that should be coming in the mail and it has pegs so my computer will sit at an angle. I also gave my windows partition 150 GB of hard drive space is that enough?

Anywho, the first question I have is if I keep playing will I see a reduction in my graphics or gaming performance and will I wear out my computer such as the CPU and or break my computer. My second question is what do you mean by certain high poly counts and how I can find out what CC has this. My third question is the app you were talking about that shows stats. 

@puzzlezaddict Yes! Thank you so much for this information it was very insightful. I would definitely like some more information and I do have 150 GB of hard drive space on my partition for windows is that enough? I also use every EP except WA, ITF, Showtime, and University Life. I honestly so far haven't noticed much issues when it comes to gameplay except the occasional lag and freeze but it only lasts for about 30 seconds, however I do use quite a few intense mods and have CC so I am fine with it.

I would like to know what app you were talking about which shares the stats. My main question though is will the sims overtime ruin my computer in the long run? I only plan on playing max 3 times a week (however I have such a busy schedule I think I'll only be able to play on Saturdays) along with only playing for a max of 5 hours with a 30 minute break after each hour to allow my computer to cool down and restart. I also plan on getting my computer cleaned out regularly and will probably try to get my thermal paste changed when I feel needed. I would just like to know your opinion and insight on it all, Thank you!

@michelleealexis  You sound more tolerant of lag than a lot of people would be.  I don't know if I could stand a 30 second delay while playing unless it was due to my running a mod-enabled cleanup or something.  Still, even if you're fine with the lag as it stands now, it could always get worse.  So it's probably worth addressing at least some of the potential causes.

First, which world are you playing in?  Some are better made than others, and a few are basically unplayable in their default state, including the otherwise lovely Isla Paradiso.  (This world, at least, is fixable.)  How long have you played this save, in terms of sim-weeks?  An exact number isn't necessary, although you can get one by hovering your mouse over the game clock, but an estimate is fine.  (This game is brand new, this is generation 4 of a legacy on long lifespans, that kind of thing.) 
 
Another potential problem is a bunch of stray animals in a world that wasn't designed for them. Baby animals can’t use stairs, so they can get stuck on community lots, and wild horses can get stuck almost anywhere.  As far as graphics settings go, the two most demanding are water and high-detail lots. Try turning those down first to see if you get an improvement; I use “mirrors only” and 2, respectively.

If you use NRaas StoryProgression, that can cause lag even on the strongest systems.  Try dialing back the pace to slow or snail.  The SP add-ons can also increase the overall load; most people can't play with all of them.  Almost all other NRaas mods are either neutral or lower the overall demands of TS3 by cleaning things up.  As for other mods, I couldn't say without knowing which ones you're using.

It’s also a good idea to test a new save in a well-made world to get a baseline for what kind of performance your computer is capable of producing. The best worlds to test are usually Sunset Valley, Twinbrook, and Riverview, but since you have Pets in play, you might test Appaloosa Plains instead, since it's the most animal-friendly of the EA worlds.

Anyway, to answer your questions, the only reason TS3 could shorten the life of your computer is if it overheats.  The monitoring app I use is hwinfo, which is easy to read and allows you to set alarms at whatever temperatures you want.  You don't even have to install it—just download the portable version and launch it from your Downloads folder (or wherever) before you start playing.  It'll list the max and average temperatures over the course of each run, starting when you open it.

https://www.hwinfo.com/download/

(Be sure to click the green download button, not the orange one.)

You could play every day without worrying; the problem is if you play for too long at a time.  How long is too long is mostly dependent on temperatures, although it's probably a good idea not to play for more than a few hours at a time before taking a break.  Stopping after an hour is probably overkill; if your laptop is overheating, it'll happen sooner than that.

The other thing that wouldn't be good for your system is having too little free space on your hard drive.  I can't tell you whether 150 GB is too little, although it wouldn't be enough for me.  How much do you have free right now?  You can click on This PC in File Explorer; you should see total and free space for the Windows side of the partition.  Again, you can get away with maybe 15 GB free, but you'll need to put off Windows feature updates, i.e. the twice yearly OS upgrades that usually break something important, until you have more like 25 GB.  The simplest way to do this is to set all your internet connections, wifi and hardwired, to metered.  Then Windows won't download any updates, not even for its antivirus software, unless you allow it manually.

As for the packs you're not using, every EP adds to the demands of the game.  But WA has a very light impact.  ITF is considered the third most demanding pack, some distance behind Seasons, although it's more stressful on the processor than the graphics card.  Showtime and UL are somewhere in the middle.  You may find that you get the best results by only running a few EPs at a time, but that will depend on what kind of performance is acceptable.  (All stuff packs are fine, all the time.)

Anyway, I'm happy to answer whatever questions you have.  Running TS3 well can involve a lot of experimentation, and some compromises, but it should be doable for someone who's thorough and pays attention to detail.

@puzzlezaddict I am currently playing a custom world called Sunshine City (here is the link to the world: https://sims3customworlds.tumblr.com/post/86441645112/sunshine-city-original-post-here-download) 

In terms of how long I have been playing my save I would like to say about a week. I actually haven't gotten to do any real gameplay because I am still downloading my CC and making sure it doesn't cause any weirdness in my game (besides lag, of course.) Basically the save I have been playing is my "tester" family where I make sure whatever I download is working with my game correctly. 

Also, when you talked about overheating, if my computer does overheat and ruins my CPU can't I just get a replacement or can overheating damage my computer overall? Again, thank you so much for everything so far I feel like such a burden xD

@puzzlezaddict The current world I am playing in and plan on playing is this world called Sunshine City (here is the link to it: https://sims3customworlds.tumblr.com/post/86441645112/sunshine-city-original-post-here-download) I would reckon it's a medium sized world but I am not for sure. 

In terms of how long I have been playing my save, I want to say about a week, though it's hard to pinpoint since I only use this save to test my CC and mods I download just to make sure it runs smoothly in my game. Once I have finished downloading the CC I want I will probably start playing with an actual family then but until then I currently use a "tester" family. 

I guess overall I am just really worried about my computer. If the computer overheats from the game what kind of damage will it do to my computer? Also thanks again for all this I feel like such. burden lol.

@puzzlezaddict The current world I am playing in and plan on playing is this world called Sunshine City (here is the link to it: https://sims3customworlds.tumblr.com/post/86441645112/sunshine-city-original-post-here-download) I would reckon it's a medium sized world but I am not for sure. 

In terms of how long I have been playing my save, I want to say about a week, though it's hard to pinpoint since I only use this save to test my CC and mods I download just to make sure it runs smoothly in my game. Once I have finished downloading the CC I want I will probably start playing with an actual family then but until then I currently use a "tester" family. 

I guess overall I am just really worried about my computer. If the computer overheats from the game what kind of damage will it do to my computer? Also thanks again for all this I feel like such. burden lol.

@michelleealexis  You're not a burden at all; the people who respond here do so because we enjoy it.  And, of course, we're free to ignore posts we don't want to answer, which is not the case here.

I would definitely recommend testing in Appaloosa Plains, and Sunset Vally if you can get the stray pet population under control, just for comparison's sake.  I don't know anything about this custom world, or the creator, but some player-made worlds run better than others.  Size is one factor, but routing can also be an issue.  One common cause of lag is a stuck sim, somewhere in the world, that the game engine is tripping all over itself to try to reroute.

I totally understand why you'd be worried about your computer; I'm quite overprotective of mine as well.  Excessively high temperatures can damage the hardware, and in a laptop, most hardware can't be replaced.  But this only happens with extreme heat, not when the computer's just running a bit hot.  Modern hardware tends to list operating temperatures up to 70º (hard drives) to 90º (processor) Celsius.  It is of course better not to get too close to the limit, but that still gives your system a lot of breathing room.

This is where hwinfo can be so helpful.  If you run it while playing, what kinds of temperatures are you seeing for your hardware?  Do the numbers stabilize or keep rising?  (You can put your game in windowed mode to check.)  This is the best way to get an idea of what your laptop is capable of, and how long you can play without worrying.

@puzzlezaddict Do you know which mods get the stray population under control? I've also noticed when I play in my custom world if I go around my town sims are not able to walk in some parts because it is "blocked" so I am wondering how I can fix that as well. 

Will the app that shows my stats show while I play the sims 3 or do I have to play my game in a windowed mode in order to see it? Thanks again!

@michelleealexis  The best mod to control strays, and perhaps the only one, is NRaas Register.  There are a number of NRaas mods that help with performance in various ways; if you're interested, I can give you a list and a short explanation of each.  Or you could ask at NRaas directly.  The people there are friendly and helpful and would be happy to discuss which mods will provide the features you want in your game.

Still though, it would be better to start with no mods, and no cc (yet), and test in Appaloosa Plains.  Then you can add mods if you want and see whether it helps.  It sounds like your custom world may well have routing issues, which would explain at least some of the lag.  The point of testing in AP or Sunset Valley is to know how your game runs at its best, so you'll be able to tell if a new world, or an older save, is falling off in performance, and do something about it sooner rather than later.

When hwinfo is running, it keeps track of the current, minimum, maximum, and average values for all the fields it tracks, including temperature, for the duration of the time it's been running.  So even after you quit TS3 and the heat starts to dissipate, you'll still be able to see what the max temp was for various components.

There are a few different approaches you can take, but the way I'd go is to play in fullscreen if that's what you normally do, and then pause the game every ten minutes, switch to windowed mode in graphics options (you can do this on the fly, it's fine), and check the temperature readings.  Then back to fullscreen for another ten minutes.  This may be tedious, but it's only to establish a baseline, to see how your computer performs.  If everything looks fine, you can set alarms in hwinfo, open it before you start playing, and then completely ignore it.  (I mean, be sure to check it after you quit, just so you have an idea of what's going on, but no need to monitor while you play.)  The point of setting an alarm is that you don't need to monitor yourself, you'll get the alert if your temps rise too high.

@puzzlezaddict Okay epic! Will the alarm go off when I Olay in fullscreen mode? Also if you want to, I would LOVE a list of helpful mods and a quick explanation. 

@michelleealexis  The alarm will definitely go off; the question is whether you'd see it.  You might have to allow notifications; I'm not sure.  But you could easily experiment, setting an alarm for a low number that you know your system will exceed quickly.  If not, there's always Windowed Borderless Gaming, which works very well with TS3.

Or you could just figure out how hot your computer runs normally.  Once you've set a baseline, you might realize you're fine switching to windowed mode once an hour to check and otherwise leaving it alone.  The only way to find out is to run the tool and see what kind of temperatures you're getting.

The mods I use to keep my game running smoothly are all from NRaas, which has very high standards and a large user base to test before anything gets released.  Here's a list to start with:

• ErrorTrap and Overwatch together clean up glitches and corrupt data before it has a chance to do more damage.  Both run in the background and don't need any player intervention.  This includes resets of stuck sims and flushing of stranded objects.  ET will throw scripterrors when it corrects an issue, but they're usually routine cleanups.  Keep the scripterrors (in your TS3 game folder in Documents) only if you're having issues with a save—the NRaas people can read them and interpret them for you.
• Also make sure to get the version of ET that's build for your type of install.  I think you're using Origin, so get the Origin/1.69 version, not the disc or Steam version.
• MasterController doesn't do anything unless you tell it to; it's a menu of commands you can run.  It's great for resets, whether of a sim, an object, a lot, or the entire town.  (Most of us do a town reset every few sim-weeks, maybe sooner if the game starts to lag.)
• Traveler replaces EA's (broken) version of the travel transition with its own, no player intervention needed.  It also allows your sims to vacation in any world you have installed, or to switch hometowns without losing the data from the previous world, plus a few other functions you can play with if you feel like it.
• I mentioned Register as controlling service and role sims, including stray animals.  You can set the numbers for any category.  It also fixes things in the background, whether you play with the settings or not.
• Traffic manages the spawning of vehicles, both regular cars and things like the ice cream truck.  You can choose to disallow or limit the numbers as you like.  One cause of lag is the incessant spawning of performance limos, sometimes in the hundreds a day.  Overwatch will clean these up on its nightly run, but sometimes that's not enough, and Traffic prevents them from appearing in the first place.
• You may want GoHere to disable boat routing in worlds that don't allow for it.  I haven't used it, but I don't have IP installed.  There are also other functions that you may like; read the documentation page for more details.
• Hybrid corrects a few issues with supernaturals, and also allows a sim to have two or more occult states at once.

There are plenty more mods at NRaas, but it's usually better to figure out what function you want in-game, then find the mod to fit, rather than keep adding them to see what they do.  Besides, this seems like a long enough list to start with.  Once you're comfortable with these, and your game is running well, you can start expanding.