Gender Neutral Options.

"Onverser;c-17888460" wrote:
I just really hope if they do add more pronoun options they'll do it properly and make them optional so we have choice. I worry that they'll take the lazy route and just nerf all gendered text and replace it all with "they" as it's easier, like when they nerfed occults instead of giving players the choice.

Till now it was him or her based on townie's gender. When they add non binary, they'll add they to him/her. Based on townie gender, him/her/they will appear in text. What's hard I guess is different languages to translate to.

"ncisGibbs02;c-17888468" wrote:

"Onverser;c-17888460" wrote:
I just really hope if they do add more pronoun options they'll do it properly and make them optional so we have choice. I worry that they'll take the lazy route and just nerf all gendered text and replace it all with "they" as it's easier, like when they nerfed occults instead of giving players the choice.

I really hope they don’t take the easy route.

I also miss Vlad invading my Sims homes, when I first got Vampires it was practically every night. Now it’s hardly ever. ???.

I too miss vampires breaking into my home. EDIT: I mean, my sims home. :D

"Loanet;c-17888398" wrote:
EA takes the time and money to cater to gender neutral activists but not to actual players. Cuz it makes them look like they care about people's rights when they've fired people just to keep from giving out bonuses.

Sims are gender neutral enough as it is. How is this meant to enhance our gameplay?

Money talks yo. Once companies started realizing that pretending to care about the LGBTQIA+ movement brought in revenue, its a no-brainer they'd go all in.

Disclaimer: Im not saying that no one inside these companies actually cares, but if a growing social movement looks like it would bring in a heck of alot of revenue, they'll look like its #1 supporter if it means you'll buy something.

Me anyway, I dont care about having the wokiest game that ever existed. Options are great, but can we focus on the need for gameplay that lasts longer than 10 minutes? I play a game to be entertained for a few hours, not judge if it passed its "woke test".

I'm a cisgendered, bisexual woman, who's married to a bisexual, masculine presenting, non binary man, who's pronoun preferences are 'they/them'. I absolutely think that for the sake of individual game play choice that a toggle button to turn gender aspects on and off should be included. In my game style I've played trans and gender non conforming characters, I've also played across the spectrum of sexuality for my Sims as well, but at some point in the future I may just randomly decided to start a new save and create white bread, straightsville land, or Terf world, or Lesbian separatist island, or the society of Benedictine monks r us. Granted it's unlikely that I would actually play any of those examples, but I'd still at least like the choice to do so.

*edited to add: Sorry I didn't make it clear enough, I don't think. I mean a game option to turn any gender presentation off. Like only have male sims generate, or only female, or only non binary, or two out of the three in any combination, or all three. Just some choice would be good.

"Wolfium;c-17888484" wrote:

"Onverser;c-17888460" wrote:
I just really hope if they do add more pronoun options they'll do it properly and make them optional so we have choice. I worry that they'll take the lazy route and just nerf all gendered text and replace it all with "they" as it's easier, like when they nerfed occults instead of giving players the choice.

Till now it was him or her based on townie's gender. When they add non binary, they'll add they to him/her. Based on townie gender, him/her/they will appear in text. What's hard I guess is different languages to translate to.

That's what I'm saying, I hope they'll do it properly like that rather than taking the easy option and changing all text for all sims to they/them regardless of gender.

"Onverser;c-17888460" wrote:
I just really hope if they do add more pronoun options they'll do it properly and make them optional so we have choice. I worry that they'll take the lazy route and just nerf all gendered text and replace it all with "they" as it's easier, like when they nerfed occults instead of giving players the choice.

From reading the petition that's out there, it looks like people wish that the game will use neutral language instead of language based on what body type you picked for your sim. They do mention the problems with sims having 18 different languages and are aware how difficult this might be.

Making all messages gender neutral in the game is no easy task... but what I mostly wonder about is what other game mechanics that relies on gender and if that needs to be changed too. Like babies, relationships, job roles, outfits, I simply don't know how much the game looks up what gender your sim is in the game code... but I imagine this needs to be updated too for them to do it right.

So yeah, I worry that they will take the lazy route too and remove gender from the game instead of updating the game for a third option. If they stick to just messages in the game, then that's fine but I'm not sure it's that easy.

Everybody's acting like Maxis is going to turn the frogs gay. Chill. They aren't going to ruin your OTP's

Just like every other gender & sexuality related thing they've added to the game, it will be a matter of player choice.

"Onverser;c-17888515" wrote:

"Wolfium;c-17888484" wrote:

"Onverser;c-17888460" wrote:
I just really hope if they do add more pronoun options they'll do it properly and make them optional so we have choice. I worry that they'll take the lazy route and just nerf all gendered text and replace it all with "they" as it's easier, like when they nerfed occults instead of giving players the choice.

Till now it was him or her based on townie's gender. When they add non binary, they'll add they to him/her. Based on townie gender, him/her/they will appear in text. What's hard I guess is different languages to translate to.

That's what I'm saying, I hope they'll do it properly like that rather than taking the easy option and changing all text for all sims to they/them regardless of gender.

They won't change all text to only they/them regardless of gender, because in code him/her is variable (based on gender variable) while the rest of text is constant. They'll just add new pronoun and gender and it will be inserted in text same way. Also, if you change male sim to female, the text will be changed from him to her.

"logion;c-17888518" wrote:

From reading the petition that's out there, it looks like people wish that the game will use neutral language instead of language based on what body type you picked for your sim. They do mention the problems with sims having 18 different languages and are aware how difficult this might be.

@logion ,
I’m interested in reading this petition. Would you be able to provide a link?

"CAPTAIN_NXR7;c-17888586" wrote:

"logion;c-17888518" wrote:

From reading the petition that's out there, it looks like people wish that the game will use neutral language instead of language based on what body type you picked for your sim. They do mention the problems with sims having 18 different languages and are aware how difficult this might be.

@logion ,
I’m interested in reading this petition. Would you be able to provide a link?

@CAPTAIN_NXR7 Here you go. :)
https://www.change.org/p/ea-games-pronoun-options-for-trans-and-non-binary-sims-in-the-sims-4

"logion;c-17888593" wrote:

"CAPTAIN_NXR7;c-17888586" wrote:

"logion;c-17888518" wrote:

From reading the petition that's out there, it looks like people wish that the game will use neutral language instead of language based on what body type you picked for your sim. They do mention the problems with sims having 18 different languages and are aware how difficult this might be.

@logion ,
I’m interested in reading this petition. Would you be able to provide a link?

@CAPTAIN_NXR7 Here you go. :) https://www.change.org/p/ea-games-pronoun-options-for-trans-and-non-binary-sims-in-the-sims-4

Cheers! ??