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I can't understand how erasing people's gender can be inclusive. New nouns should be added, like pronouns were, so everyone can be represented, instead of entirely erasing people's genders.
@kaichen04this is why I put @batmansxrobin 's suggestion from the other thread here. I can imagine it is probably easier to make the default terms gender-neutral and then gendered/alternative flavour can be customised/added back just like pronouns. This way nothing is erased.
In life, people of any gender identity are addressed as parents/siblings/children in various contexts with no offence made, but if you don't fit within the gender binary, being referred to as a 'son/daughter'/'brother/sister' etc could be discomforting.
I think an implementation similar to how pronouns work would be easier than, say, adding a non-binary gender alongside male and female in CAS.
- kaichen042 years agoNew Adventurer
People have fought a lifetime to be able to marry and call their significant other husband/wife. You can't erase all gendered word from the game and call it inclusive. I find extremely offesive to go backwards and have gay couples be denied being husbands and wives again. How even trans people would feel? To fight to be respectred as men and women, but to never be able to be represented as a wife/mother or a husband/ father? To have their gender they fought for erarssed? And how does that affect other languages? English is very gender-neutral. People in other languages are having to deal with very strange words. Fiancé / Fianceé became "Engagement Pair", which sounds terrible in portuguese. Husband ?wife had to become "cônjuge", a legal term you generally only see in technical language in divorce papers. I don't think erasure is the way when you can just add new words. The nouns can be paired with the pronouns (he/his: father. She/her: mother. They/them: parent. That would be inclusive.
- 2 years ago@kaichen04 The languages point makes a lot of sense. Languages that have gendered vocabulary/grammar on a binary would be much more difficult to update into a gender-neutral default version. In that case I agree - relationship terms should be based on the pronouns rather than on CAS gender.
- 2 years ago
But gender-neutral terms for these relationships are still lacking in the game (and I assume not just in English), so suggestions for these should still be added!
- 8 months ago
You have to either be intentionally misunderstanding or not thinking very hard about it.
seriously-gender neutral terms are terms that could go for ANY GENDER. Saying parent instead of mother/father on a technical level would just be that- and simmers AS THEY PLAY can call each other whatever they want (like trans/nonbinary/gender non conforming people have been doing forever.)
Nothing pisses me off more, then when people try to claim that inclusive neutral language is exclusive… Because it simply isn’t. If you are mad at being called a person instead of a woman or a man, there is a problem with you because that is you being offended by being called a person It is just a gender neutral term meaning all of us can fall into that category. How was this not just common sense basic freaking knowledge ?
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