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Seasoned Adventurer

8 months ago

Spouse Noble Rival

Notes: This is from the new Royalty & Legacy Pack. I first posted this in the Gameplay Issues, becuse I thought it might be something wrong on my end. Now I think it is a glitch/bug.

Post 1: I made a married couple both in the Noble career. The wife was promoted to Queen and the husband automatically received the title King. But now the husband's work panel shows his wife as a "Noble Rival is an adversary at court who blocks the path to promotion."

Obviously this doesn't work with my story. The husband is King because his wife is Queen. I don't know how to fix this and it is messing up my play; it's also causing bad buffs between them and it's hurting their relationship (even though they were 100% friendly & romantic before the promotion). They are NOT rivals. They are on the same team!

Any suggestions on how to fix this? Or is this something EA has to fix? Married sims should have some option to NOT be rivals in the noble career. Can we have some option to choose who is or isn't a rival?

Post 2: Some more information on this still unresolved issue.

I noticed that on the pop-up info on noble rival "Marriage" is one of the solutions.

Since I married my sims in CAS when creating them, I thought maybe they need an actual wedding ceremony (I do own Wedding Stories).

So I changed them in CAS to Partners. I had the man propse, she accepted, and I held a simple wedding ceremony where they excahnged vows.

I had hoped this would effect a change and they wouldn't be rivals anymore. But alas, it didn't change the Rival status.

The man's title WAS changed however, when he was only the partner and engaged, his title matched where he is in the noble career. Once they made their vows in the wedding ceremony, his title was changed back to King.

I would appreciate some feedback from the EA team. I am pretty sure this is NOT what is supposed to happen.

If Marriage is supposed to resolve the Rival status, that's a pretty huge glitch that it doesn't work. It is breaking a vital part of the story in the game mechanics for the Royalty & Legacy Pack.

Post 3: In my current household I have 4 out of 6 sims in the Noble Career. Two of them are low to medium in the Noble career. I have tried demoting and promoting the husband to different levels of the Noble career (using MCCC), and in all of them his wife is still the rival.

Oddly enough, the other household members (who are relatives and in the same dyansty under the Queen's Headship over this dyanasty), neither of them see her as a rival, which is odd to me. You'd think the brother & nephew would see the Queen as a Rival; and the Husband, who has title King becasue of his marriage to her, would not see his wife as a Rival.

I am thinking this must be a glitch. Even after trying a Wedding Ceremony between them the Rival status did not change.

Also a note, the wife/Queen does not see her husband as a Rival. Only the husband/King sees his wife as a Rival. I think that's becasue she is higher ranked than him in the Noble career, and only one person can be in the Level 10 Monarch role.

It still doesn't make sense for the King to see his wife as a Rival. (At least the way I am trying to play. Maybe others enjoy their Sims' marriages fraught with rivalry, lol.)

I am still hoping there will be some update to fix this issue. An option to to check/uncheck for Spouses/Patners are Never Rivals in the Noble Career.

Thank you for any help anyone can give!

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27 Replies

sw33tpinkbabi
New Scout
7 months ago
I just feel like a better way to fix this issue would be to use the “Promised Title” as a way to block familial rivalry. The sim that receives the promised trait should be excluded from being the rival of the sim who promised them the title. It just seems unfair to ruin relationships automatically by making family members rivals without the players input.
Sindocat
Seasoned Ace
7 months ago
In any kingdom, there can be only one ruler. Any other noble who cannot progress further in their career sees that monarch as a rival. The solution is to have the monarch's spouse hold a courtesy title by marriage, but take on a different career than Noble. Or, for the monarch to abdicate so that the spouse can take the promotion. But there is always a rivalry for that top spot, within the career nobility of that kingdom.
atreya33
Legend
7 months ago
I agree with the other players. Please give us a way to opt out of rivalry. A noble rivalry can be a fun route to explore but not it should be possible for other high ranking nobles to support the monarch. Especially for spouses. Perhaps a sort of pledge of allegiance could be added. Nobles who pledge to be loyal don't get the rivalry buffs but in return they can't force the monarch to abdicate.
sw33tpinkbabi
New Scout
7 months ago
That may be true, but when you’re in a Royal family, you know your place in the line of succession and you don’t become enemies with your Spouse, or Children just because their your heirs to the throne.
This should be adjusted in the game to reflect the play-style or story the player wants to create. Not everyone wants forced enemies with their family members or chosen heir.
Sindocat
Seasoned Ace
6 months ago
None of my rival sims have hurt sentiments or impaired relationships. It is just a cap on promotion. That is all.
sw33tpinkbabi
New Scout
6 months ago
Sindocat That is not my current experience. Both my King and his Prince both lost their good friendship with the same rival noble “Enzo” and now are in the red. At first the game made him the Kings’s rival and then after a few days, it made him the Prince’s rival. They’re no longer friends so they both have the “Friends slipping away moodlet” and hurt sentiments. Not to mention the guy comes over and kicks our trash can everyday. Rivals in any career in the game drains the relationship into the red. They didn’t make an exception to the Noble career… But they should, because your family shouldn’t be your enemy unless you want them to. I wouldn’t mind family being a rival if it didn’t ruin the relationship, but it shouldn’t impose rivalry on the selected heir to the throne. Promised Inheritance should come with the exception of not being a forced rival….
At the same time, I spent so much time befriending the different Nobles and the game is just cycling through them making them rivals and ruining their friendships. Not everyone hates their rival.
Theoneontheradio
Rising Newcomer
6 months ago
I have my sim as the 10th level monarch in Ondarion, their spouse is titled as Queen however my sim is labeled as Grand Duke, there is no promotion on the throne