Certain Sims can lose ability to eat

Good afternoon! I have an uncommon (but common enough to destroy several families) problem with sims losing the ability to eat. They pick up food, do not eat it, then put it back down. The common w...

gameplay issue

crinrict
1 year ago
@thoughtfix Will try on your set of packs. I don't think the issue is a pack you have but one you don't have that's why I needed the packs you own.

EDIT: I can duplicate it on your set of packs so now to narrow down which missing pack is causing issues).

EDIT EDIT: Enabling Jungle Adventure fixes it (this is not a recommendation to buy the pack). Wonder if some mod added something to your Sim that was related to the pack and now fails because the pack isn't present.

When I have the pack enabled the Sim gets a moodlet from the pack, It's called overwhelming Flavor and it says that the Sim can't eat the whole meal. My guess is that this is what's causing the issue.

You created the Sim from scratch right ? Have you also been using mods or just CC ? I don't think cc would add this moodlet but maybe it was some mod that had a component for JA.

PipMenace

Hero

1 year ago

@thoughtfix Do you use the Sulani Culture Skill mod? I see you have Island Living and I’ve used that mod in the past. Double-checking its listed requirements, it doesn’t say it requires Jungle Adventure, just Island Living, but the mod seems very based on Jungle Adventure’s Selvadorada culture skill, and the moodlet @crinrict found is one Sims with low/no Selvadorada skill get when eating Selvadoradan food.

If you do use that mod, that might be one possible cause to explore - have your bugged Sims previously tried to eat Sulani foods with low Sulani skill?

thoughtfix
1 year ago
You two are heroes and I hope EA pays you or otherwise rewards you for all your work.
To answer the question from @crinrict - This has happened on sims from scratch, but the one you're seeing was a modification of one from the Gallery. I cannot find her again to see the original, sadly. I have been using gameplay mods to add more autonomy (sims will first kiss and do other romance, get out of sun if they're vampires, and do other fun stuff to avoid excessive death and stale neighborhoods) but my only CC comes in when I download a lot or household from the Gallery (which is frequent.)
@PipMenaceI don't have Jungle Adventures or the mod you mentioned.
I loaded her up again and made a full dump of the sim logs for both her and her Duplicato clone. I compared them side by side, line by line, and only saw a few food/hunger related differences:
Expected differences are shown, like one is a temporary clone, on a foreign lot, and lived a different number of days.
The clone has some traits show up from nowhere, and I can't explain it: BeachBum_LaidBack and GynRat, for example, are not on the original but showed up on this one clone.
The clone has buff_Food_HasEatenRecently and buff_Food_HasEatenToday_Hidden but the original does not, which is likely because .. well .. she ate!
The clone has a commodity_PoliteHunger that's not present on the original.
No mention of anything like overwhelming flavor (for either string and either log)
By themselves, none of them seem odd to me. I didn't see any trait relating to Sulani food, but it's possible some CC or DLC sets a property that the game interprets as the "overwhelming flavor" but tnen doesn't show it when Jungle Adventures is missing. I'll see if I can find any mods that get rid of that buff first, then see if I can justify Jungle Adventures (like if I'd buy it eventually anyway or leave it off.) I found a mod that says it removes the buff from the food, but looking at it in Sims 4 Studio, it seems it just removes it from the food before it's eaten and characters that have it have to wait for it to fall off. I could be reading it wrong, though: I just yesterday started learning about modding.
Thanks to the folks in Scumbumbo's Discord (Rest in peace, mod master Scumbumbo) for help generating the character logs.
- thoughtfix
  1 year ago
  I went ahead and $purchased Jungle Adventures$ even though most of that content isn't my bag, but LGR didn't hate it and I trust him.
  I saw exactly what you saw: A debuff that didn't exist until I owned that DLC. I used UI Cheats to remove the debuff, and now she can eat. I am going to do the same for all my impacted sims in my main save
  .
  Thank you for the in-depth investigation. There is a bug here that EA has to address: the ability for a sim to get a sim-killing debuff from a DLC that is not owned by the user. Even if it is introduced from CC/Mods, it should not be enabled in the game code until the DLC is enabled by the user. As far as which mod or CC introduced it - I have no idea! I've had a lot of mods come in and out as I try to find a stable install, and purchased a handful of DLC over the winter so it could be anything. If I find it, I'll post back here.
  As an in-game help thread, I am marking this as Resolved. I'd like to reference this in Bug Reports thread with the above (Users can get buffs/debuffs from DLC without having that DLC installed) topic. Would that get moved to Game Issues too?
  Again you're all fantastic, the mod community is fantastic, and it makes me wish there were more comprehensive docs for modders that would allow modders to do realtime inspections of Sims to see what's going on. THANK YOU!
  - crinrict
    Hero+
    1 year ago
    @thoughtfix Did you have all your problem Sims from the gallery or just this one ?
    
    As for this being considered a bug, it depends if it was a mod or simply the gallery that added the buff for you. Usually, for mods stuff, you're on your own and EA doesn't have to fix it.
    
    Will talk to the CM what they think. I would hold off making a new report for now cause if CM says they want to look into it, it'll be moved back to bugs.