Besides Werewolves what do you think the Gamepack will have in addition?

Honestly, all non occult packs cater to all non occult players.

So why should there be anything in a pack directed at occult players, catering to non occult players?!

This mindset kind of annoys me.
What about us non occult players?
Well don’t buy it? Simple. You have all the other packs that aren’t focused on occult.
The occult community has been left out for so long and now non occult players have the audacity to ask for non occult things in an occult pack?!

I’m sorry if I offend anyone I’m just genuinely annoyed. And I don’t consider myself an occult player cause I rarely play with them, I prefer realism play over occult playstyle.

"QueenSaraphine;c-18114386" wrote:
Honestly, all non occult packs cater to all non occult players.

So why should there be anything in a pack directed at occult players, catering to non occult players?!

This mindset kind of annoys me.
What about us non occult players?
Well don’t buy it? Simple. You have all the other packs that aren’t focused on occult.
The occult community has been left out for so long and now non occult players have the audacity to ask for non occult things in an occult pack?!

I’m sorry if I offend anyone I’m just genuinely annoyed. And I don’t consider myself an occult player cause I rarely play with them, I prefer realism play over occult playstyle.

Because if there is nothing in the pack for non occult players then non occult players won't buy it, thus it won't sell well and then there won't be anymore occult packs.

I'm not an occult player but I am happy for the occult players. If there is nothing that inspires me to buy the pack I won't buy it. I won't be mad about it. I will still be happy for the occult players but if there is to be more occult packs the ones that EA puts out have to sell.

Fingers crossed for a Medieval pack next, with Dragons.

"MichelleW;c-18114487" wrote:

Because if there is nothing in the pack for non occult players then non occult players won't buy it, thus it won't sell well and then there won't be anymore occult packs.

I'm not an occult player but I am happy for the occult players. If there is nothing that inspires me to buy the pack I won't buy it. I won't be mad about it. I will still be happy for the occult players but if there is to be more occult packs the ones that EA puts out have to sell.

Fingers crossed for a Medieval pack next, with Dragons.

I’m not sure I agree with this logic, most game packs provide little or no gameplay outside their niche. RoM didn’t have any gameplay for non-spellcasters, Vampires only came with the pipe organ.

Including things totally unrelated to werewolves (Romance system? Photo booths? Pool equipment?) in a werewolf pack is a lose-lose situation. Occult players miss out on more occult-specific content in a pack supposedly for them, and non-occult players have to pay for a moderately-sized pack whose main gameplay feature doesn’t appeal to them just to have some small, irrelevant feature that could have come in a much more suitable pack.

Expansion packs should have broad appeal and cater to many different play styles, but game packs are deliberately designed to flesh out one very specific theme only, and usually contain very little outside of it.

"MichelleW;c-18114487" wrote:

"QueenSaraphine;c-18114386" wrote:
Honestly, all non occult packs cater to all non occult players.

So why should there be anything in a pack directed at occult players, catering to non occult players?!

This mindset kind of annoys me.
What about us non occult players?
Well don’t buy it? Simple. You have all the other packs that aren’t focused on occult.
The occult community has been left out for so long and now non occult players have the audacity to ask for non occult things in an occult pack?!

I’m sorry if I offend anyone I’m just genuinely annoyed. And I don’t consider myself an occult player cause I rarely play with them, I prefer realism play over occult playstyle.

Because if there is nothing in the pack for non occult players then non occult players won't buy it, thus it won't sell well and then there won't be anymore occult packs.

I'm not an occult player but I am happy for the occult players. If there is nothing that inspires me to buy the pack I won't buy it. I won't be mad about it. I will still be happy for the occult players but if there is to be more occult packs the ones that EA puts out have to sell.

Fingers crossed for a Medieval pack next, with Dragons.

I think you underestimate the number of occult players out there. The Sims has always had occults. It's never been about realism until the Sims 4. So no, they don't have to water the packs down with "realistic" stuff for it to sell. Realism players still buy these packs for build/buy and then complain about the occults. It will sell.

Non occult players get the CAS and Build Buy, just like with Vampires and Realm of Magic.

Anything else, gameplay wise, will come in the pre-pack patch.

They don't need to add anything else to make sure the pack sells. There are enough Occult players (and non-occult players who will buy the pack anyway) for the pack to sell just fine. Don't let Sims Twitter fool you into thinking most people play mundane.

Game packs are supposed to be more Niche anyway.

"MichelleW;c-18114487" wrote:

"QueenSaraphine;c-18114386" wrote:
Honestly, all non occult packs cater to all non occult players.

So why should there be anything in a pack directed at occult players, catering to non occult players?!

This mindset kind of annoys me.
What about us non occult players?
Well don’t buy it? Simple. You have all the other packs that aren’t focused on occult.
The occult community has been left out for so long and now non occult players have the audacity to ask for non occult things in an occult pack?!

I’m sorry if I offend anyone I’m just genuinely annoyed. And I don’t consider myself an occult player cause I rarely play with them, I prefer realism play over occult playstyle.

Because if there is nothing in the pack for non occult players then non occult players won't buy it, thus it won't sell well and then there won't be anymore occult packs.

I'm not an occult player but I am happy for the occult players. If there is nothing that inspires me to buy the pack I won't buy it. I won't be mad about it. I will still be happy for the occult players but if there is to be more occult packs the ones that EA puts out have to sell.

Fingers crossed for a Medieval pack next, with Dragons.

I politely disagree there won't be anything for non-occult players in it. First off we don't even know what's in it. Secondly plenty of occult centered packs have offered things to non-occult players. I do agree with you guys that there should be a toggle to turn the occults off so you can enjoy those item that speak to you without enduring the elements you don't want.

On the flip side, as an occult fanatic I always find stuff in reality based packs that interests me even if the larger theme leaves me feeling meh about it.

Please understand, I'm not saying any of this to attack you or belittle you point of view. I'm just hoping you can see that it might not be a total loss for you. I hope with all my heart you get lots of pleasant surprises when the contents are revealed and that it will be a pack that has something for everybody regardless of their feelings about occults.?

I'm more of a multi theme player. I love basic, historical, sifi & occult gameplay. And I do agree that in each pack there's always something for many players not just selected ones. For example, I really don't like the insects & garbage gameplay in Eco Living :s , however I do like the CAS, build mode objects & hairstyles. ;)
Regardless of what's the front play of a new pack, there's always hidden treasures in it for everyone. :)

"MichelleW;c-18114487" wrote:

"QueenSaraphine;c-18114386" wrote:
Honestly, all non occult packs cater to all non occult players.

So why should there be anything in a pack directed at occult players, catering to non occult players?!

This mindset kind of annoys me.
What about us non occult players?
Well don’t buy it? Simple. You have all the other packs that aren’t focused on occult.
The occult community has been left out for so long and now non occult players have the audacity to ask for non occult things in an occult pack?!

I’m sorry if I offend anyone I’m just genuinely annoyed. And I don’t consider myself an occult player cause I rarely play with them, I prefer realism play over occult playstyle.

Because if there is nothing in the pack for non occult players then non occult players won't buy it, thus it won't sell well and then there won't be anymore occult packs.

I'm not an occult player but I am happy for the occult players. If there is nothing that inspires me to buy the pack I won't buy it. I won't be mad about it. I will still be happy for the occult players but if there is to be more occult packs the ones that EA puts out have to sell.

Fingers crossed for a Medieval pack next, with Dragons.

That's a pretty bold statement. I think if occult lifestates were really a bad selling as you say, then the team would have simply stopped after vampires. The hard core realism fans might outnumber the occult players, but I think there are enough occult players to make these packs profitable. Especially given this will only be the third occult pack in 8 years! Occult players are starved and desperate for new content.

Besides if BB was enough for 100% realism players to buy vampires (and subsequently demand vampires to be nerfed) then I am sure that they will find something of interest in this pack.

I do agree on the medieval pack with dragons, that would be awesome.

"DaWaterRat;c-18114511" wrote:
Non occult players get the CAS and Build Buy, just like with Vampires and Realm of Magic.

Anything else, gameplay wise, will come in the pre-pack patch.

They don't need to add anything else to make sure the pack sells. There are enough Occult players (and non-occult players who will buy the pack anyway) for the pack to sell just fine. Don't let Sims Twitter fool you into thinking most people play mundane.

Game packs are supposed to be more Niche anyway.

The majority of people that play video games play them casually. Think of how you play any other game besides the sims and there you have the majority of the player base for The Sims 4.

I think if people will find something that appeals to them, then they will buy this pack, non-occult or not. I hope that this pack will focus on werewolves, but I also hope that Maxis spent time to add features or base game updates that will make the pack appealing and fun to play.

"logion;c-18114543" wrote:

"DaWaterRat;c-18114511" wrote:
Non occult players get the CAS and Build Buy, just like with Vampires and Realm of Magic.

Anything else, gameplay wise, will come in the pre-pack patch.

They don't need to add anything else to make sure the pack sells. There are enough Occult players (and non-occult players who will buy the pack anyway) for the pack to sell just fine. Don't let Sims Twitter fool you into thinking most people play mundane.

Game packs are supposed to be more Niche anyway.

The majority of people that play video games play them casually. Think of how you play any other game besides the sims and there you have the majority of the player base for The Sims 4.

I think if people will find something that appeals to them, then they will buy this pack, non-occult or not. I hope that this pack will focus on werewolves, but I also hope that Maxis spent time to add features or base game updates that will make the pack appealing and fun to play.

I don't play video games other than the Sims. Otherwise I'm a TTRPG gamer, and usually the one sitting behind the GM screen, so lots of time and creative investment - not to mention expansion books. My experience with Video games is not typical.