Disabilites and Supernaturals

"stilljustme2;c-16751194" wrote:

"Armilus616;c-16751125" wrote:

"stilljustme2;c-16751098" wrote:

"katrinasforest;c-16750838" wrote:
I don't see how having a disability would have any effect on a Sim's ability to use supernatural powers. My Deaf character I mentioned in the other thread is a vampire, and if anyone offered to "cure" her, she'd be super mad at them. She likes herself the way she is. (She was also a plant Sim at one point, but that's a whole different story.)

Advanced technology doesn't automatically mean disability doesn't exist. (I recently read a science fiction anthology called Accessing the Future, which solely featured disabled protagonists and not a single "cure" story.)

A mental or learning disability could make it more difficult to develop powers (takes longer, maybe because it's harder to focus), but I don't like limiting a player by making it impossible to develop powers. Being able to travel in bat or mist form might actually be freeing for a vampire in a wheelchair or who uses a cane, for starters. (We won't get into issues regarding vampiric spar for the physically disabled vampires.)

A guy in a wheelchair has a real disadvantage when he gets in a fight, but just because he can't move his legs doesn't mean his arms are useless. So if a guy in a wheelchair and a healthy guy get in a fight, the guy in the wheelchair is more likely to be beaten up, but depending on fitness or other factors, the wheelchair guy might win. A real disadvantage doesn't mean guaranteed defeat. That could be the same with vampire spar. There would be a need for new animations, of course.

Yeah, I was thinking more in terms of animations especially with so much of the spar being in the air. Would the vampire magically rise from the chair to spar, then sink back into it if s/he wins (or placed back in for a loss)? People in wheelchairs often have pretty good upper body strength from everyday wheeling (before age and illness deteriorated her muscles my late mother-in-law was quite strong; she was in a wheelchair for over 25 years due to failed scoliosis surgery).

Or would they lift the Chair with them, beating their opponent with it... :smiley:

"Writin_Reg;c-16750974" wrote:
Supernaturals are not going to have disabilities. That is silly. Vampires are undead - they can't be disabled.

Ahhh, but what if an already-disabled sim is bitten by a vampire?

"IceyJ;c-16751427" wrote:

"Writin_Reg;c-16750974" wrote:
Supernaturals are not going to have disabilities. That is silly. Vampires are undead - they can't be disabled.

Ahhh, but what if an already-disabled sim is bitten by a vampire?

Well first of all - seeing we have no real Vampires to go by all we can rely on is all the writings over the last couple hundred years about Vampires and from everything I ever read - part of the Vampire Lore is no matter what a victim is afflicted with including plagues, blindness, crippliness etc - being reborn as an immortal means total regeneration and eternity free of illnesses, injury, aging or disease of any kind.

I even looked in Lore from several Vampire games that mention Vampires even have wound regeneration as long as the wound in question isn't the fatal stake to the Undead Heart.. The games say the Vampire Lords armies are important to his /her reign and the more powerful the army the faster the Wound Regeneration.

So in both games and book Lore a Vampire totally regenerates once turned.

Of course that is just Vampires -

"Writin_Reg;c-16751643" wrote:

"IceyJ;c-16751427" wrote:

"Writin_Reg;c-16750974" wrote:
Supernaturals are not going to have disabilities. That is silly. Vampires are undead - they can't be disabled.

Ahhh, but what if an already-disabled sim is bitten by a vampire?

Well first of all - seeing we have no real Vampires to go by all we can rely on is all the writings over the last couple hundred years about Vampires and from everything I ever read - part of the Vampire Lore is no matter what a victim is afflicted with including plagues, blindness, crippliness etc - being reborn as an immortal means total regeneration and eternity free of illnesses, injury, aging or disease of any kind.

I even looked in Lore from several Vampire games that mention Vampires even have wound regeneration as long as the wound in question isn't the fatal stake to the Undead Heart.. The games say the Vampire Lords armies are important to his /her reign and the more powerful the army the faster the Wound Regeneration.

So in both games and book Lore a Vampire totally regenerates once turned.

Of course that is just Vampires -

I was considering posting about this earlier. They could make them have a "perfect" form, basically any supernatural becomes perfect when they transform into it. It would save on animations. I'm not sure it would be received well though.
In more modern stories some vampire lore is sometimes just tossed out the window depending on the storytelling (movie, book whatever). I know I'm use to the standard old gothic vamp.. can't be reflected, will be driven off by a cross (which became the you have to believe thing and sometimes became any religious relic), dies with a stake, has to travel over water with their homeland soil beneath them and will be killed by sunlight. However depending on the story teller they do change it up.. Personally I don't like modern and hybrid vamp stories. They don't follow the rules well enough for me.
Even the Sim 4 didn't follow the vampire can't enter your home without being invited rule... and it bothered me. I didn't mind the daywalker stuff and some other power they gave them but for some reason that invite part really bugged me.
I guess I'm trying to say there really are no vampire 101 rules that can't be tampered with and they might have to take into account that people might want disabilities here. I'd rather they don't but I don't see that being an easy decision to make.

The SimGurus said that Disabilities will be an opt-in feature anyway. So there won't be any disabled people in the game unless we make them.
Being unable to create disabled supernaturals would mean the devs knowingly limit our storytelling potential.
If we want to imagine that a Transformation into a vampire instantly cures any disabilities, no matter what they are or what their cause is, injury or chromosome error, insufficient vitamins, poison or a virus, becoming a Vampire cures it, then we just don't create vampires in wheelchairs.
I see the Sims as a game where we are able to tell our stories. It is literally the only game I know of where you can play as a fat, black, trans vampire (born female, partially changes into a man) who falls in love with a married woman.
If I wanted it (her is wrong because it identifies as male and has a partially male appearance, him is wrong because it is still biologically female and still has some female features, and since it's also a Vampire, I use it) to sit in a wheelchair as well, why would the Devs want to stop me or force me to sacrifice the Vampire part? It would limit storytelling, no matter what any vampire lore says.
If it can be accepted that vampires sparkle in the sunlight, vampires in wheelchairs can be acceptable as well.

> @Armilus616 said:
> The SimGurus said that Disabilities will be an opt-in feature anyway. So there won't be any disabled people in the game unless we make them.
> Being unable to create disabled supernaturals would mean the devs knowingly limit our storytelling potential.
> If we want to imagine that a Transformation into a vampire instantly cures any disabilities, no matter what they are or what their cause is, injury or chromosome error, insufficient vitamins, poison or a virus, becoming a Vampire cures it, then we just don't create vampires in wheelchairs.
> I see the Sims as a game where we are able to tell our stories. It is literally the only game I know of where you can play as a fat, black, trans vampire (born female, partially changes into a man) who falls in love with a married woman.
> If I wanted it (her is wrong because it identifies as male and has a partially male appearance, him is wrong because it is still biologically female and still has some female features, and since it's also a Vampire, I use it) to sit in a wheelchair as well, why would the Devs want to stop me or force me to sacrifice the Vampire part? It would limit storytelling, no matter what any vampire lore says.
> If it can be accepted that vampires sparkle in the sunlight, vampires in wheelchairs can be acceptable as well.

Exactly this! If you personally feel that a vampire or werewolf being disabled is "silly," that's your own opinion. There is no reason to restrict the storytelling of those who want to create them. Some of us already have imagined these characters anyway--adding disabilities to the game just lets us get the Sim version of our characters a little closer to the ones in our heads. ^_^

Besides, we're talking about a game where vampires still need to shower and ghosts still need to eat, sleep, and use the bathroom. Supernatural abilities already have very little effect on Sims' physical needs. ;)

You can > @duhboy2u2 said:
> While I still worry about people who are differently abled being misrepresented or upset because their personal abilities are not represented at all, I think the idea of having supernaturals with the ability to have a different skill set might be intriguing to people in general.
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> I know he's not a supernatural so much as a super hero, but look at Daredevil. He's a blind man who uses sonar to find his way and help others. Maybe that goes a step too far, I don't know. I think my daughter, who has a developmental disorder similar to Asperger's, would love being able to create a werewolf, vampire, witch, etc... with similar abilities to herself. For me, being deaf (or mostly so in my case) the idea that my vampires might have to rely on scent, or sight to eat is somewhat intriguing.
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> Regardless of what gets implemented, I hope its done respectfully, tactfully, and with the real people behind the keyboards in mind.

I hope so, too! And I'm always pro encouraging kids to create super-powered versions of themselves.

I haven't seen Daredevil yet, though you did make me think of Toph from Avatar: The Last Airbender. She's also blind but uses her earth-based powers to sense where things are.

Sorry, I have no idea why my quoted text didn't show up as such. Or where the random "you can" came from. I think I was starting a sentence and got cut off somehow. ^_^;;

"katrinasforest;c-16752383" wrote:
Sorry, I have no idea why my quoted text didn't show up as such. Or where the random "you can" came from. I think I was starting a sentence and got cut off somehow. ^_^;;

You need to get the member rank to be able to post proper quotes and edit posts. When you've reached 30 posts and 50 points (50 people liked your posts) then you'll get the actual member rank :)

@wormstache999 Ah, thank you. I'll refrain from quoting text until I've reached that rank, since I know it looks pretty messy.

"Writin_Reg;c-16750974" wrote:
Supernaturals are not going to have disabilities. That is silly. Vampires are undead - they can't be disabled.

Vampires are inmortal at TS4, also sure fairies will be inmortal
But what about non-inmortal life-states? They certainly can have disabilities (except aliens due their far advanced technology)