Kit Packs Are Stuff Packs

OP, you strongly expressed these were a rip off but did you say you went ahead and purchased them all? I don't understand why you would make a thread about what a big rip off this is, then turn around and buy them all.

If you want Maxis to get the point, you close your wallet. This seems to be par for the course for TS4 and it's players. They complain about things but buy anyway. No wonder it's ok to sell less stuff for more money in the long run.

If you don't want kits you don't buy. Simple. I don't know if these are rip offs or not, but what I do see is more money for less. No use in complaining when you throw money at it and even get all three at one time "if" someone really thinks they are being ripped off.

Yup, I went ahead and purchased them all because they all had things I wanted in them. Also, how else am I supposed to know if they're a rip-off? I know it's hard to believe but I do know the value of money, even if I can afford to buy them.

You can't review something without owning it and unlike some people I don't get free kits from Maxis because I don't always say good things about packs.

"LeGardePourpre;c-17822354" wrote:
"Kits are Stuff Packs" confirmed

SP20 Throwback Fit Kit
SP21 Country Kitchen Kit
SP22 Bust The Dust Kit

Ninja said there will still be Stuffpacks.

Apparently we will be getting at least one more Stuff Pack (check the release timetable). I expect that they were already making that, though, and there's no guarantee there will be more afterwards.

I'm not the sort of person to say "Oh, Bust The Dust should have come with Laundry Day." That's called Retrospect. Laundry Day is three years old! But the CAS and Furniture could so easily be in real Stuff Packs, or part of Game and Expansion packs. Exercise clothes and farm-style furniture doesn't need special tiny packs for itself!

"Chicklet453681;c-17821817" wrote:

"SimmerGeorge;c-17821676" wrote:

"Chicklet453681;c-17818199" wrote:
I think that kits are going to be more niched items that wouldn't fit into an actual pack

@Chicklet453681 Hmm, now let's think about this for a second. If Kits are meant to bring more niche gameplay, then how come all three kits have similar gameplay to what we already have.

For the fitness one I have to say. We already have tons of sportwear in the base game, we got some with Fitness stuff, we got TONS more with University and even Snowy escape had extreme sport, ski, fitness outfits.

The kitchen could have been part of the kitchen stuff pack or maybe Cats and Dogs that had that country vibe or maybe with any other EP.

And finally the dust stuff could have been in either Laundry day or Eco Lifestyle. Also,why put only vacuums but not brooms and cleaning clutter too?

If you are a niche player, are these things you might wish for when we already have these in the game? There are niche players out there who want stuff like body hair, dragons, fairies. How does putting stuff we already have in a kit satisfy niche audiences? If this is an attempt to create more niche gameplay I have to say they failed.

Ok first of all I never stated that I thought the kits were to bring more “niche gameplay”. What I said, was that I felt like these were going to be more “niched items”. A lot of people like clutter and stuff that doesn’t necessarily have game play attributes, that’s what I mean.

It’s obvious you do not like the concept of them, but some people do. I personally am holding off judging them until I see what other kits they make.

If these kits bring some things to the game that haven’t made it into a pack and it’s something that I’ve been wanting … I'm buying them, you know why? Because it's something I've been wanting. Not everybody is going to feel the same way and that's ok, they don't have to buy it.

I personally could not give a flying flippin’ leap about any current or future occults, but I have bought all of the existing occult packs and will probably buy any new ones that come out just for the BB/CAS items and never play with the actual occult gameplay of that pack. Many other simmers do that as well, so these kits might cater to us, allowing us to get “stuff” without having to purchase a full pack with gameplay we won’t use.

But we don't know what the other kits will include, we don’t know the themes, we don't know how often they will release them, and we don't know if it will always be split up into 3 different kits each time they are released …. with a tiny kit that has a gameplay feature, a BB kit, and a CAS kit.

I personally don’t need a new world, more hairs, clothing, and furniture in every single DLC that is released so if these kits add things that I've been wanting like:

Activities for kids
Activities for elders
Pool Tables
Pool stuff (an actual diving board, pool slide)
Kids bikes
Instruments

I’ll spend my money on them. And again…… Do you know why? …………. Because these are things I’ve been wanting!

You know, this is actually a very good point. And now it's got me wondering... if Kits had existed before now (like back in 2017 when Vampires was released) and there was a gothic themed kit released maybe about a week or so before Vampires, with not necessarily the same items, but similar maybe the number of people who bought the pack just for the CAS and BB items would have gravitated towards the kit instead? To get a similar feel for the clothing/build items without having to buy an entire pack with gameplay they'll never use. Which maybe maybe could have saved vampires from being nerfed?

I'm on the other side of things. I'm a huge occult fan and will probably always buy occult packs, but Parenthood isn't something I was interested in gameplay wise. I still bought it, for the CAS and some of the build items + being able to cheat the values TRAITS onto Sims. But the gameplay is not something I'm interested in since I'm not a family player.

Now if there had been a CAS Kit with a similar Grunge-ish feel to the clothes, I would have (probably) saved my money and bought the kit instead, just letting go of the extra traits.

While I can't say for sure, I'm betting it would have been a similar case for you with Vampires and Realm of Magic.

As for the pricing, I wish they were cheaper too. But for me, I don't think this grouping was worth the money more because the themes didn't really interest me that much as opposed to the actual content's value.

I'll probably only get the Kits if they (on the off chance) go on sale, I win them from a giveaway, or I have everything else and they're all that I'm missing.

If it's a theme I'm interested in however, I have no issues paying $5. I spend more than that on a single coffee at Starbucks (because I get specialty drinks with a few customizations) so why wouldn't I spend that on a Kit I like the theme of.

The Dust Kit is kind of worth the money. After all, if you don't like dusting, that's all it's about, so you don't have to buy it. And it's pure gameplay.

But the CAS and Furniture packs? It doesn't matter that I like the items. There's significantly less stuff than any Stuff Pack, There's no hair or accessories in the CAS pack, and we're hardly low on excercise clothes anyway. It certainly wasn't one of the things people were desperate for. You want to give us something a little more niche that we don't have much of? How about swimwear? Or nightclothes?

The furniture? There's cabinets and a handful of clutter. Oh, I like it. But it doesn't deserve to be half the price of a Stuff Pack. Aged kitchen furniture is hardly what I call 'niche'.

Hardly any of the stuff in the Kits is 'niche', nor does it fill in a gap. It's vague, and easily aimed at lots of people, just so that lots of people will buy it. Emo and super-goth clothes are niche... so less people will buy that kind of Kit. If you want emo and goth style, you still need to buy Vampires, which is a full Game Pack with a life-state in it.

"Loanet;c-17822500" wrote:
Apparently we will be getting at least one more Stuff Pack (check the release timetable). I expect that they were already making that, though, and there's no guarantee there will be more afterwards.

I'm not the sort of person to say "Oh, Bust The Dust should have come with Laundry Day." That's called Retrospect. Laundry Day is three years old! But the CAS and Furniture could so easily be in real Stuff Packs, or part of Game and Expansion packs. Exercise clothes and farm-style furniture doesn't need special tiny packs for itself!

I hope it's a Wedding Stuffpack.

"Chicklet453681;c-17822029"} wrote:

Of course I would want them to be cheaper, but they're not. And me not buying the ones I am interested in isn't going to make them suddenly be $3 a kit. I always want every single thing I purchase to be cheaper. I am not an impulse buyer and I research and comparison shop or I wait for sales for most things I purchase unless it's a necessity, and a video/pack is not a necessity. It's a luxury that I splurge on for my own entertainment when it's something I'm interested in. I haven't bought any of the kits yet because they're not really something that I "must have".

As someone who, like you, generally supports the idea of the kits but hasn't bought them yet, it's interesting to me that there are other people in this category, while conversely some of the people who have complained loudest about the very idea of the kits have already purchased them, almost as soon as they were available.

"WilliamVSims;c-17822717" wrote:
I think the kits needs to be lowered in price a little to make them worth it, but that's EA and I doubt these will ever go on sale since they are so cheap. I just feel like this new pack type SO FAR is unnessecary (with the items we have seen so far) but I dont mind other people buying them, it allows me to know more about them. I will consider buying Bust the Dust once there is a mod to remove the dust bunnies, too over the top for me.

I think Zero has a mod to delete dust bunnies already. And a few more related to this kit.