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paradiseplanet2's avatar
3 years ago

Kits and commodifying cultures

So I learned a new word recently: Commodify

commodify



💼 Post-College Level
verb (used with object), com·mod·i·fied, com·mod·i·fy·ing.
to turn into a commodity; make commercial.
to treat as if a commodity.


You know that sounds familiar doesn't it? And you know what that reminds me of? Kits. I wasn't around the forums here when Kits were first announced, but you can tell me how bad it was here when it happened. As for me, I never liked the idea of Kits, and yet I have them. Not all of them were bought with my own money, I'm going to tell you that. What I find interesting is how the themes of these more recent Kits have been taking someone else's ethnic culture (whether it be their fashion or their architecture) and selling it back to us for money.

Oh how I miss the days when they didn't sell them back to us for $5 a pop even though they're really not worth that much. Remember when they did that decently-sized Caribbean and Lunar New Year patches that brought not only new CAS items, but BB items too along with new recipes some years ago? Those were basically half the size of a stuff pack already, and you bet your behind that it would've been sold to us as a $5 kit nowadays.

Now I know that representation is one thing, and sometimes I think it's too much at times (like those recent Korean traditional outfits in the SDX that I would never have a reason to use but that discussion is for another day), but at least it was free. Commodifying in the sense of this term is as I described, ripping ethnic cultures and selling them to us for profit, and apparently, people eat that up. We now have 10 (and maybe an 11th coming soon) Kits and 4/10 are ethnic-based: Courtyard Oasis (B/B kit; North African/Arabic/Moorish), Fashion Street (Mumbai modern street fashion, which is still ethnic-based but not everyone in India wears that), Incheon Arrivals (Specifically what K-pop idols wear, but although it's modern Korean attire that they wear generally these pieces can mostly be worn by anyone so the ethnic-base is weaker), and now Carnaval Streetwear (Literally Carnaval streetwear specific to Brazil). I also have a feeling the next possible Kit probably revealing in this quarter will also be ethnic-based and another B/B kit, but I'll be glad if I was wrong.

So do tell me, do you like ethnic cultural items, CAS and B/B alike, being sold off to you for $5 a pop, or would you wish that they were more free like they used to be, when they basically patched in a brevy of culturally-related items that are almost half the size of a stuff pack some years ago? Current world situation pending, of course. Next thing you know they'll sell us a 'Black History Month' Kit with African American culture-related items, or more recently a 'Slavic Wear' Kit or even an 'LGBTQ+ Pride' Kit which yes I know it's not an 'ethnic' theme but it's still a culture (please DO NOT do that Sims team, I would like to get these for free thank you).

Oh and, in my opinion, how it relates to me is that I am Chinese-Indonesian, and I would not appreciate my culture on the Indonesian side to be sold off to me as a $5 Kit if I want to wear my ethnic attire or build our traditional buildings. I wouldn't want the Chinese side to be sold off to us either, they should both be free, but I expect one or the other will be paid and I wouldn't be surprised if they put a price tag on them anyway. I already see that they've done so already in the wedding pack, knowing that they have traditional formal wear for Indian and Chinese weddings, and Oriental tea sets exclusive to the tea ceremonies in that pack.
  • "paradiseplanet;c-18065446" wrote:
    "RionAgrias;c-18064582" wrote:
    Your culture, too, can be included, for a nickel and a dime.


    I wouldn't want that to happen, but I wouldn't be surprised either. This is where mods/cc come in.

    Also, I'd like to point out to some of you have responded that I know very well that this is still a product that still requires something to sell to us to maintain some form of profit. You all who are kind of talking down to me like I didn't know that was unnecessary.

    Moving on from that, I would rather prefer that the Sims team veer more away from selling specific cultural attire to us and rather stick to more general themes not too tied into one's ethnicity or cultural traditions. Modern Menswear is a good example of that, even if yes, I have a hard time seeing any males who identify as males wearing any of these pieces (even tho they're supposed to be the 'future' of menswear and who knows what we'll be wearing in 10-20 years from now), but it wasn't really tied to anyone's specific ethnic/cultural background and it was more a collab with a fashion designer because they needed a reason to sell us more masculine attire to make profit. Yet, it didn't add enough to the CAS wardrobe at all and each new pack adds 10x more CAS pieces for fem and a bare minimum for masc sims, leaving us back to square one.

    Also in response to some above posts, Sims team adding more ethnic/culturally related items in free patches still does count as having to pay for it yes, if you bought the basegame (that doesn't count those who got it for free) and sure, the Sims as a franchise itself is commodified because at its core it's a life simulator supporting the view of a Western/North American cultural lifestyle, with your occasional European stuff for good measure. At least they're making in-roads into giving some of it for free but there are still many packs that lock those items behind the paywall, and you don't have an option to not include them in your games if you buy them.

    Honestly, sometimes I would prefer the Sims 3 Store over the Kits, because from what I've occasionally browsed through, many of the items available to buy are individual pieces rather than lumped together into packs including things you didn't want. That way you can pick and choose what works for you to purchase without having to purchase the whole thing including items you didn't want. I still wouldn't support the Store either, because at the end of the day they're microtransactions, which are the bane of the gaming industry.

    I still think we could've avoided the Kits idea altogether (for at least another few years or so) had the circumstances of the world and the pandemic not gone the way it went. Regardless what has been given for free, the days of patching in content in batches to fill basically half a stuff pack are now gone, and whatever we do get for free in batches has only been a quarter of what could've been. They really just don't cost $5 a pop, I don't ever think they'll ever be on sale because of how low they're already priced at, and dare I say putting all the free content that went along with it also in the kit would've made it more akin to the price tag. I'm unsure of why they restrict the basis of each Kit to only Gameplay, CAS, or B/B only though, they could fill a bit more in if they weren't so constrained.

    If you like how cultures are being sold back to you, you're more than welcome to believe that, but you should also respect those that don't want to be treated like they're an exotic commodity and their culture is worth nothing more than a few bucks to be spent to have some clothes and such in a game. If they tried to make it work better and integrate things more seamlessly with the game already, I would think it'd be totally fine, but as it stands the game as is needs a lot of work in integrating them respectfully, instead of plopping random clothes from different cultures onto townies and calling it 'cosmopolitan fashion'. EA/Maxis/Sims team needs to do better; they have tried, but they don't reach enough in many respects, or cater to specific occurrences where they would stand to make more profit, in the name of 'virtue-signaling' and 'wokeness'.


    You bought the base game and I assume several of the earlier packs which represent the culture of North America, specifically the United States, which is actually a mishmash of many cultures but is most deeply rooted in white Anglo Western European culture. But you don’t think you should have to pay for other cultures because it makes them seem exotic? Anything that is deeply unfamiliar to a person seems exotic - so Middle Eastern culture may seem exotic to me, but American culture also may seem exotic to them. They had to pay for my culture in buying the base game and several previous packs Why shouldn’t I pay for some of theirs too in a kit or a pack? The fan base of the game swarmed the devs with requests for the representation of cultures other than North American/Western European and when that happens it is inferred by a company like EA that you are saying you are willing to pay for that thing you’re requesting. The fact that they have added many things free of charge is a bonus, not their business model.
  • Actually paradiseplanet, as someone of South Asian origin i can relate to how you feel. I know what you mean and you make some good points. Plus I don't agree with all of the cultural stuff either rather paid it's paid or free. I just want things to be kept as general as possible. I just downloaded a religion mod from lumpinou and it's fun. But it's the perfect example of how they can add real world things and put a Sims spin to it. No one is offended, no one is appropriated or feeling left out unless you cowplants are a part of your culture? . It's done kind of like the sims medieval religion.

    However, we have to think about WHY the Sims started all of this cultural content in the first place. It was because people demanded it. The Sims got accused of being racist, discriminatory,white washing and everything else. People demanded their culture to be added to the game because they wanted to be represented. And people still do.
    I blame 50% of this on players.
    The other 50% on EA for going along with players on every single thing instead of standing their ground, having an identity of their own and making it clear with players that this is a FICTIONAL GAME and will remain so. Don't bring your real life issues and demands into this.

    And I don't feel like the sims gained anything because there would be unhappy people either way. Quite a few Chinese modders have dropped the game and left modding all together since that Chinese new year controversy. And those are only the ones I know of, more of them dropped it I'm sure.
    Personally, by giving in to players demands I believe they have lost more then they gained in more ways then one. And I don't mean money but the essence of the sims.

    So i definitely sympathize with you but they are neck deep in it now. I don't think they are going to stop with the cultural thing anytime soon.

    BTW even the latest wedding pack feels weird to me. Like they tried mash up a bunch of different cultures together but it feels strange. I would much rather preferred a full on "sims" style wedding with all new food no one has ever heard of or seen and cowplant wedding traditions or something.
  • "Babykittyjade;c-18065696" wrote:
    Actually paradiseplanet, as someone of South Asian origin i can relate to how you feel. I know what you mean and you make some good points. Plus I don't agree with all of the cultural stuff either rather paid it's paid or free. I just want things to be kept as general as possible. I just downloaded a religion mod from lumpinou and it's fun. But it's the perfect example of how they can add real world things and put a Sims spin to it. No one is offended, no one is appropriated or feeling left out unless you cowplants are a part of your culture? . It's done kind of like the sims medieval religion.

    ...snip...


    BTW even the latest wedding pack feels weird to me. Like they tried mash up a bunch of different cultures together but it feels strange. I would much rather preferred a full on "sims" style wedding with all new food no one has ever heard of or seen and cowplant wedding traditions or something.


    Ok, this may
    be off topic, but now I really want a cowplant to be the wedding officiant. If someone can just make that happen.....
  • AstroX1424's avatar
    AstroX1424
    Seasoned Newcomer
    "telemwill;c-18065707" wrote:
    "Babykittyjade;c-18065696" wrote:
    Actually paradiseplanet, as someone of South Asian origin i can relate to how you feel. I know what you mean and you make some good points. Plus I don't agree with all of the cultural stuff either rather paid it's paid or free. I just want things to be kept as general as possible. I just downloaded a religion mod from lumpinou and it's fun. But it's the perfect example of how they can add real world things and put a Sims spin to it. No one is offended, no one is appropriated or feeling left out unless you cowplants are a part of your culture? . It's done kind of like the sims medieval religion.

    ...snip...


    BTW even the latest wedding pack feels weird to me. Like they tried mash up a bunch of different cultures together but it feels strange. I would much rather preferred a full on "sims" style wedding with all new food no one has ever heard of or seen and cowplant wedding traditions or something.


    Ok, this may
    be off topic, but now I really want a cowplant to be the wedding officiant. If someone can just make that happen.....


    I now pronounce you husband and wife... -Groom suddenly gets devoured-
  • "telemwill;c-18065707" wrote:
    "Babykittyjade;c-18065696" wrote:
    Actually paradiseplanet, as someone of South Asian origin i can relate to how you feel. I know what you mean and you make some good points. Plus I don't agree with all of the cultural stuff either rather paid it's paid or free. I just want things to be kept as general as possible. I just downloaded a religion mod from lumpinou and it's fun. But it's the perfect example of how they can add real world things and put a Sims spin to it. No one is offended, no one is appropriated or feeling left out unless you cowplants are a part of your culture? . It's done kind of like the sims medieval religion.

    ...snip...


    BTW even the latest wedding pack feels weird to me. Like they tried mash up a bunch of different cultures together but it feels strange. I would much rather preferred a full on "sims" style wedding with all new food no one has ever heard of or seen and cowplant wedding traditions or something.


    Ok, this may
    be off topic, but now I really want a cowplant to be the wedding officiant. If someone can just make that happen.....


    ???? that would be awesome