LGR Nifty Knitting Review

"babajayne;c-17596432" wrote:

"Missmagoo2;c-17596416" wrote:

"SimAlexandria;c-17596350" wrote:

"Missmagoo2;c-17596314" wrote:

"crocobaura;c-17594964" wrote:
Didn't we vote on the content and already knew what was going to be in the pack?

Kinda but not really. I'm pretty sure we voted for Arts and Crafts. But then that was whittled down so much we were left with just knitting.

We voted specificially for knitting though.... We voted Arts and Crafts as the main title and then when it had the list of 5 ideas for each category and it said "If this pack wins which subtheme should the pack be based on" we voted knitting. Arts and Crafts one, and the knitting category within it won.

People voted for the Arts and Crafts thinking it'd be a broader theme. Then when we were told how narrowed down it'd be, we had to "pick our poison". Basically, none of the options we were given at the end were what we were told to expect in the beginning. We voted for the option that would "suck" the least

That’s not how it happened. Rewind to my last post in this thread, looks like you didn’t read it back then or now.

Dec 2019 - "In today’s Maxis Monthly live stream, The Sims team gave a first look at the upcoming “Arts and Crafts” design styles players will be voting on starting December 23rd. During the upcoming community vote players can choose from “Granny Sleek”, “Cozy Craft Workshop” and “Do-it-Yourself (DYI) Delight”. Check out a first look at these styles below!"

Yes, we absolutely KNEW it was going to be a stuff pack. But they kept breaking it down even further than what we had really wanted. We wanted arts and crafts! But they wanted to break it down so much that it's just blah

"SimmerGeorge;c-17596477" wrote:

"crocobaura;c-17596471" wrote:

"SimmerGeorge;c-17596445" wrote:

"crocobaura;c-17596431" wrote:

Yes, they know about big requests and they didn't put them up for a vote because they knew they were going to bring them into the game soon. We rarely get to vote on anything anyway, and that's because they don't have enough staff to find out what every simmer wants to see in the game.

@crocobaura 6 years is not really "soon" to me though. 6 years for firefighters... And some massively requested features are still not in the game after soooo long.
I am not talking about making everything people want but there are highly requested stuff. It's a fact, yet they still ignore those requests. They don't even comment on them

They can read the forums and see what people want to be added to the game. Some may be added, some not. This time they actually decide to let people vote and you're not happy with the outcome, it just proves my point that they can never make everyone happy. As for the firefighters, they're useless. They cannot enter the property if the door is locked and if your sim lives alone, he's as good as dead even if you have the fire alarm.

@crocobaura I don't think you understood my point though. One of the top comments in LGR's review video explains it better, maybe read that if I am not making myself clear enough.

Well, then no need to dwell on this any further.

"Missmagoo2;c-17596495" wrote:

"babajayne;c-17596432" wrote:

"Missmagoo2;c-17596416" wrote:

"SimAlexandria;c-17596350" wrote:

"Missmagoo2;c-17596314" wrote:

"crocobaura;c-17594964" wrote:
Didn't we vote on the content and already knew what was going to be in the pack?

Kinda but not really. I'm pretty sure we voted for Arts and Crafts. But then that was whittled down so much we were left with just knitting.

We voted specificially for knitting though.... We voted Arts and Crafts as the main title and then when it had the list of 5 ideas for each category and it said "If this pack wins which subtheme should the pack be based on" we voted knitting. Arts and Crafts one, and the knitting category within it won.

People voted for the Arts and Crafts thinking it'd be a broader theme. Then when we were told how narrowed down it'd be, we had to "pick our poison". Basically, none of the options we were given at the end were what we were told to expect in the beginning. We voted for the option that would "suck" the least

That’s not how it happened. Rewind to my last post in this thread, looks like you didn’t read it back then or now.

Dec 2019 - "In today’s Maxis Monthly live stream, The Sims team gave a first look at the upcoming “Arts and Crafts” design styles players will be voting on starting December 23rd. During the upcoming community vote players can choose from “Granny Sleek”, “Cozy Craft Workshop” and “Do-it-Yourself (DYI) Delight”. Check out a first look at these styles below!"

The first thing I voted for was the arts and crafts. THEN they downgraded it even more to these three options. And even THEN they cut it down to just knitting. From the get-go, they were NOT clear that it would just be a SINGLE theme. They made it seem like it was going to be more than it was

Knitting had already been decided on before the design style vote you’re referring to. Here’s a blog post EA made summarizing the results of round 1. https://www.ea.com/games/the-sims/the-sims-4/news/sp-survey-results
The writing was already on the wall.

"Missmagoo2;c-17596495" wrote:

"babajayne;c-17596432" wrote:

"Missmagoo2;c-17596416" wrote:

"SimAlexandria;c-17596350" wrote:

"Missmagoo2;c-17596314" wrote:

"crocobaura;c-17594964" wrote:
Didn't we vote on the content and already knew what was going to be in the pack?

Kinda but not really. I'm pretty sure we voted for Arts and Crafts. But then that was whittled down so much we were left with just knitting.

We voted specificially for knitting though.... We voted Arts and Crafts as the main title and then when it had the list of 5 ideas for each category and it said "If this pack wins which subtheme should the pack be based on" we voted knitting. Arts and Crafts one, and the knitting category within it won.

People voted for the Arts and Crafts thinking it'd be a broader theme. Then when we were told how narrowed down it'd be, we had to "pick our poison". Basically, none of the options we were given at the end were what we were told to expect in the beginning. We voted for the option that would "suck" the least

That’s not how it happened. Rewind to my last post in this thread, looks like you didn’t read it back then or now.

Dec 2019 - "In today’s Maxis Monthly live stream, The Sims team gave a first look at the upcoming “Arts and Crafts” design styles players will be voting on starting December 23rd. During the upcoming community vote players can choose from “Granny Sleek”, “Cozy Craft Workshop” and “Do-it-Yourself (DYI) Delight”. Check out a first look at these styles below!"

Yes, we absolutely KNEW it was going to be a stuff pack. But they kept breaking it down even further than what we had really wanted. We wanted arts and crafts! But they wanted to break it down so much that it's just blah

This isn't at all true though. If people thought it woud be a broader theme they didn't read the voting instructions because it was VERY clear from page one of the first vote that we'd only get ONE thing from that broader theme. There's a reason we had to rank and vote for what we liked best between things like sewing/knitting/glass making/pottery in the VERY FIRST Poll. If we were getting all of them, that would have been pointless... I mean, that and the fact that it said right on the front page (and several other pages throughout) that we weren't getting all of them.

What you are quoting is from when we picked the style, we already knew at that point that knitting had one. Those were the styles for the knitting pack but they just wrote "Arts and Crafts" because it fell under the Arts and Crafts category. What you are quoting was from December, "Knitting" was announced to be the winner back in November before that was even posted so no one shoulld have thought we were getting anything but knitting by that time.

"SimAlexandria;c-17596511" wrote:

"Missmagoo2;c-17596495" wrote:

"babajayne;c-17596432" wrote:

"Missmagoo2;c-17596416" wrote:

"SimAlexandria;c-17596350" wrote:

"Missmagoo2;c-17596314" wrote:

"crocobaura;c-17594964" wrote:
Didn't we vote on the content and already knew what was going to be in the pack?

Kinda but not really. I'm pretty sure we voted for Arts and Crafts. But then that was whittled down so much we were left with just knitting.

We voted specificially for knitting though.... We voted Arts and Crafts as the main title and then when it had the list of 5 ideas for each category and it said "If this pack wins which subtheme should the pack be based on" we voted knitting. Arts and Crafts one, and the knitting category within it won.

People voted for the Arts and Crafts thinking it'd be a broader theme. Then when we were told how narrowed down it'd be, we had to "pick our poison". Basically, none of the options we were given at the end were what we were told to expect in the beginning. We voted for the option that would "suck" the least

That’s not how it happened. Rewind to my last post in this thread, looks like you didn’t read it back then or now.

Dec 2019 - "In today’s Maxis Monthly live stream, The Sims team gave a first look at the upcoming “Arts and Crafts” design styles players will be voting on starting December 23rd. During the upcoming community vote players can choose from “Granny Sleek”, “Cozy Craft Workshop” and “Do-it-Yourself (DYI) Delight”. Check out a first look at these styles below!"

Yes, we absolutely KNEW it was going to be a stuff pack. But they kept breaking it down even further than what we had really wanted. We wanted arts and crafts! But they wanted to break it down so much that it's just blah

This isn't at all true though. If people thought it woud be a broader theme they didn't read the voting instructions because it was VERY clear from page one of the first vote that we'd only get ONE thing from that broader theme. There's a reason we had to rank and vote for what we liked best between things like sewing/knitting/glass making/pottery in the VERY FIRST Poll. If we were getting all of them, that would have been pointless... I mean, that and the fact that it said right on the front page (and several other pages throughout) that we weren't getting all of them.

What you are quoting is from when we picked the style, we already knew at that point that knitting had one. Those were the styles for the knitting pack but they just wrote "Arts and Crafts" because it fell under the Arts and Crafts category. What you are quoting was from December, "Knitting" was announced to be the winner back in November before that was even posted so no one shoulld have thought we were getting anything but knitting by that time.

Fair point! I don't think myself or others saw anything other than "VOTE" any time we happened to log on. So when we cast our initial vote, we were excited to finally pick our own theme. I mean, who doesn't like arts and crafts? Then we were told it was going to get narrowed down even more and were very disappointed.
I guess this means that they pretty much had every planned out since the get-go. We only got to pick from the options they already had in mind. Probably from things they couldn't fit in other game/expansion packs

*edit* On Twitter they didn't give us any info other than we were able to chose the new stuff pack theme - they just gave a link to where we could vote. It wasn't until later they tweeted that we had other things to vote for!
Maybe this is where the disconnect came from from the fans who were voting?
Some people were voting directly from social media and some people were on here, where they posted the fine print/details

"Missmagoo2;c-17596539" wrote:

"SimAlexandria;c-17596511" wrote:

"Missmagoo2;c-17596495" wrote:

"babajayne;c-17596432" wrote:

"Missmagoo2;c-17596416" wrote:

"SimAlexandria;c-17596350" wrote:

"Missmagoo2;c-17596314" wrote:

"crocobaura;c-17594964" wrote:
Didn't we vote on the content and already knew what was going to be in the pack?

Kinda but not really. I'm pretty sure we voted for Arts and Crafts. But then that was whittled down so much we were left with just knitting.

We voted specificially for knitting though.... We voted Arts and Crafts as the main title and then when it had the list of 5 ideas for each category and it said "If this pack wins which subtheme should the pack be based on" we voted knitting. Arts and Crafts one, and the knitting category within it won.

People voted for the Arts and Crafts thinking it'd be a broader theme. Then when we were told how narrowed down it'd be, we had to "pick our poison". Basically, none of the options we were given at the end were what we were told to expect in the beginning. We voted for the option that would "suck" the least

That’s not how it happened. Rewind to my last post in this thread, looks like you didn’t read it back then or now.

Dec 2019 - "In today’s Maxis Monthly live stream, The Sims team gave a first look at the upcoming “Arts and Crafts” design styles players will be voting on starting December 23rd. During the upcoming community vote players can choose from “Granny Sleek”, “Cozy Craft Workshop” and “Do-it-Yourself (DYI) Delight”. Check out a first look at these styles below!"

Yes, we absolutely KNEW it was going to be a stuff pack. But they kept breaking it down even further than what we had really wanted. We wanted arts and crafts! But they wanted to break it down so much that it's just blah

This isn't at all true though. If people thought it woud be a broader theme they didn't read the voting instructions because it was VERY clear from page one of the first vote that we'd only get ONE thing from that broader theme. There's a reason we had to rank and vote for what we liked best between things like sewing/knitting/glass making/pottery in the VERY FIRST Poll. If we were getting all of them, that would have been pointless... I mean, that and the fact that it said right on the front page (and several other pages throughout) that we weren't getting all of them.

What you are quoting is from when we picked the style, we already knew at that point that knitting had one. Those were the styles for the knitting pack but they just wrote "Arts and Crafts" because it fell under the Arts and Crafts category. What you are quoting was from December, "Knitting" was announced to be the winner back in November before that was even posted so no one shoulld have thought we were getting anything but knitting by that time.

Fair point! I don't think myself or others saw anything other than "VOTE" any time we happened to log on. So when we cast our initial vote, we were excited to finally pick our own theme. I mean, who doesn't like arts and crafts? Then we were told it was going to get narrowed down even more and were very disappointed.
I guess this means that they pretty much had every planned out since the get-go. We only got to pick from the options they already had in mind. Probably from things they couldn't fit in other game/expansion packs

*edit* On Twitter they didn't give us any info other than we were able to chose the new stuff pack theme - they just gave a link to where we could vote. It wasn't until later they tweeted that we had other things to vote for!
Maybe this is where the disconnect came from from the fans who were voting?
Some people were voting directly from social media and some people were on here, where they posted the fine print/details

https://i.imgur.com/CBit7fd.jpg

This screenshot I posted is from the first page of the survey. Whether you got to it from the game, the forums or Twitter, we all saw the same thing when we voted.

I'm not surprised to see some people defend even the worst packs. They literally put ZERO effort into this pack. Only 2 or 3 animations and the wool they use doesn't even change colors. There's no excuse for the little effort they put (other than what we already know: budget constraints, not enough manpower, tight release schedules, etc).

And some people say this SP is one of the best? I guess that the bar for SPs have been set SO DAMN low, it's kinda true. I know some people bring up that SPs now have gameplay when I said that I prefer SPs in 2 and 3, but the truth is that you aren't getting any new gameplay. You're just getting less in EPs. Most of the gameplay and hero objects included in packs was part of a larger EP in previous games.

Take for example buttlers. They were in The Sims 1 Superstar, The Sims 2 Apartment Life, and The Sims 3 Late Night. Or bowling, which was featured in TS2 Nightlife and TS3 University Life, or the Slip N Slide that was included in TS3 Generations, or ice cream machines, that were included in TS3 Seasons, etc.

Some of those objects have been improved a TINY BIT. But can you honestly say that having more ice cream flavors with more effects JUSTIFIES not having ice cream machines in The Sims 4 Seasons and having to pay extra for them (and a bunch of items you may not care for)?

"crocobaura;c-17596501" wrote:

"SimmerGeorge;c-17596477" wrote:

"crocobaura;c-17596471" wrote:

"SimmerGeorge;c-17596445" wrote:

"crocobaura;c-17596431" wrote:

Yes, they know about big requests and they didn't put them up for a vote because they knew they were going to bring them into the game soon. We rarely get to vote on anything anyway, and that's because they don't have enough staff to find out what every simmer wants to see in the game.

@crocobaura 6 years is not really "soon" to me though. 6 years for firefighters... And some massively requested features are still not in the game after soooo long.
I am not talking about making everything people want but there are highly requested stuff. It's a fact, yet they still ignore those requests. They don't even comment on them

They can read the forums and see what people want to be added to the game. Some may be added, some not. This time they actually decide to let people vote and you're not happy with the outcome, it just proves my point that they can never make everyone happy. As for the firefighters, they're useless. They cannot enter the property if the door is locked and if your sim lives alone, he's as good as dead even if you have the fire alarm.

@crocobaura I don't think you understood my point though. One of the top comments in LGR's review video explains it better, maybe read that if I am not making myself clear enough.

Well, then no need to dwell on this any further.

I managed to unlock the door, after realising that that was keeping firefighters out. The action didn't seem to be stuck as it was in other iterations, waiting for it to be played out with no control. Nobody died this time and that's an improvement for me.

"Simburian;c-17596645" wrote:

"crocobaura;c-17596501" wrote:

"SimmerGeorge;c-17596477" wrote:

"crocobaura;c-17596471" wrote:

"SimmerGeorge;c-17596445" wrote:

"crocobaura;c-17596431" wrote:

Yes, they know about big requests and they didn't put them up for a vote because they knew they were going to bring them into the game soon. We rarely get to vote on anything anyway, and that's because they don't have enough staff to find out what every simmer wants to see in the game.

@crocobaura 6 years is not really "soon" to me though. 6 years for firefighters... And some massively requested features are still not in the game after soooo long.
I am not talking about making everything people want but there are highly requested stuff. It's a fact, yet they still ignore those requests. They don't even comment on them

They can read the forums and see what people want to be added to the game. Some may be added, some not. This time they actually decide to let people vote and you're not happy with the outcome, it just proves my point that they can never make everyone happy. As for the firefighters, they're useless. They cannot enter the property if the door is locked and if your sim lives alone, he's as good as dead even if you have the fire alarm.

@crocobaura I don't think you understood my point though. One of the top comments in LGR's review video explains it better, maybe read that if I am not making myself clear enough.

Well, then no need to dwell on this any further.

I managed to unlock the door, after realising that that was keeping firefighters out. The action didn't seem to be stuck as it was in other iterations, waiting for it to be played out with no control. Nobody died this time and that's an improvement for me.

That's good to know as I play a lot of single sims. I still think it would be a good idea for them to be able to enter in case of emergency. You might need to buy a new door, though.

This community is way too big and divided to please every single person with each content and price tag.
Some say it’s worth it. Some say it’s not. There’s no right or wrong. Should NK have been part of a GP or EP? Some folks believe so, others do not. Do I have complaints about TS4 in general? Well...Don’t get me started. But that’s not the point.

The voting set-up and process for NK was made very clear from the start. Indeed, we also had Laundry Day to learn from. That should have educated us. If that did not educate you, I hope you learned from this one, in case the same voting process will be repeated in the future.
If you are not happy with the format of community polls, perhaps it’s not the kind of thing you should participate in. It’s bound to disappoint you.

Apparently the majority voted for knitting. Knitting won, probably because elders lack gameplay. Do not forget that elder gameplay has been in huge demand alongside liberated babies and kids/teen gameplay. I hope that the people who requested this and voted for NK are delighted with the pack.

Also, I don’t base my decisions on Sim reviews. Because they only take 10 minutes or less to watch. It’s not enough for me to really understand what’s in the pack, without being distracted by someone else’s tone or judgment. I would not be able to hear myself think.

Luckily I have the patience to watch Maxis’ deep dive live-streams. For Stuff Packs they are usually over an hour long. If you get bored watching these live streams, you probably should not buy the pack. At least they give me a much clearer idea about its contents, the gameplay mechanics etc. The gurus will usually clear up any misunderstandings right after on twitter. You don’t need a twitter account for that. You simply read their tweets: https://mobile.twitter.com/i/lists/994711305746501632

If I like what I see and I think the price is right for the way it can enhance my personal gameplay, I may get it. If not, I won’t.
If I did decide to get it, I can’t complain about the stuff that has been covered and explained about during the live stream or in a tweet, because I should have done my research better.

However, letting your decision entirely depend on the judgement of your favourite game reviewer is just as valid. Although you may or may not miss out on something.