I believe its a horrible mistake the newly announced "lifestyles and sentiment" feature is locked behind owning this expansion and a big error in judgement from a developers point of view for the game.Lifestyles and sentiment per described as: "Unlock new personality and relationship effects with the introduction of Lifestyles and Sentiments. Lifestyles manifest in response to your Sim’s actions and habits, changing their behaviours appropriately. Similarly, shared experiences inspire Sentiments and have a lasting impact on Sims’ relationships to each other, affecting their social interactions.This should be BASE GAME BEHAVIOR, at the moment sims have NO PERSONALITY in the base game and simply ruled by their emotions. There is nothing to define them other than they way they look and dress (talk about shallow). By locking this feature behind an expansion, developers limit its functionality away from a core feature that it truly should be for the sims 4.As a basegame feature update, it would allow for deeper development and inclusion with base game coding and deeper inclusion for all future packs and updates. For example could you imagine if they made emotions an expansion pack feature? Think how that would effect the game as a whole and I believe by locking "lifestyles and sentiments" aka "personalities" behind an expansion pack they are doing that very thing.Not only that but as an expansion feature no further development or support will be given to personalities which are so core to the human experience (and what is the sims but a life simulator).I think Maxis needs to change this choice immediately and re-examine what it means to be human, not a bullet point feature for an expansion pack that many people won't buy.ALL Sims 4 players should have this as a base game feature and from a developers point of view...like seriously?

just letting you know, a thread about this already exists https://forums.thesims.com/en_US/discussion/982612/is-it-okay-for-personality-improvements-to-be-tied-to-eps#latest

"RavenSpit;c-17695590" wrote:just letting you know, a thread about this already exists https://forums.thesims.com/en_US/discussion/982612/is-it-okay-for-personality-improvements-to-be-tied-to-eps#latestI know this thread exists but Simtrippy is politely asking a question - she is giving the developers a choice to say yes or no. This should not be a discussion, but a hard point of criticism towards Maxis from a development point of view of their mistake by locking this as an expansion feature and not core code to the Sims 4.SimTrippy made a "nice" thread for people to share their thoughts, asking if they think it should be a expansion feature or not. Its the difference between going to a debate or standing up in protest to point out Maxis has made a serious mistake and fully explaining why its important. My thread is protesting and heavily criticizing Maxis for not programming this as a core feature to the game. This isn't like adding snow or a new chair to the game, its a core feature the DEFINES what it is to be human and isn't this a simulation of life? What is life without personality? Personalities are CORE TO THE HUMAN EXPERIENCE, hence for sims and not locked behind expansion packs. This thread wasn't meant to be a discussion if they made a mistake - it is a mistake, ESPECIALLY from a programming and development point of view.

As a developer this choice honestly though really makes me scratch my head though.

"TOLKIEN;c-17695608" wrote:"RavenSpit;c-17695590" wrote:just letting you know, a thread about this already exists https://forums.thesims.com/en_US/discussion/982612/is-it-okay-for-personality-improvements-to-be-tied-to-eps#latestI know this thread exists but Simtrippy is politely asking a question - she is giving the developers a choice to say yes or no. This should not be a discussion, but a hard point of criticism towards Maxis from a development point of view of their mistake by locking this as an expansion feature and not core code to the Sims 4.SimTrippy made a "nice" thread for people to share their thoughts, asking if they think it should be a expansion feature or not. Its the difference between going to a debate or standing up in protest to point out Maxis has made a serious mistake and fully explaining why its important. My thread is protesting and heavily criticizing Maxis for not programming this as a core feature to the game. This isn't like adding snow or a new chair to the game, its a core feature the DEFINES what it is to be human and isn't this a simulation of life? What is life without personality? Personalities are CORE TO THE HUMAN EXPERIENCE, hence for sims and not locked behind expansion packs. This thread wasn't meant to be a discussion if they made a mistake - it is a mistake, ESPECIALLY from a programming and development point of view. Then maybe you should have put it in the feedback section.

It's not hard to understand. Companies like EA and Maxis are all about making money, so if they can dangle a carrot in front of us to get us to buy the EP, they'll do it. I don't agree with it, but it IS business....

Lifestyles and sentiments should be BASE GAME - not expansion locked

ra7orrat
4 years ago
just letting you know, a thread about this already exists https://forums.thesims.com/en_US/discussion/982612/is-it-okay-for-personality-improvements-to-be-tied-to-eps#latest
WolvesCreek
New Spectator
4 years ago
"RavenSpit;c-17695590" wrote:
just letting you know, a thread about this already exists https://forums.thesims.com/en_US/discussion/982612/is-it-okay-for-personality-improvements-to-be-tied-to-eps#latest

I know this thread exists but Simtrippy is politely asking a question - she is giving the developers a choice to say yes or no. This should not be a discussion, but a hard point of criticism towards Maxis from a development point of view of their mistake by locking this as an expansion feature and not core code to the Sims 4.

SimTrippy made a "nice" thread for people to share their thoughts, asking if they think it should be a expansion feature or not. Its the difference between going to a debate or standing up in protest to point out Maxis has made a serious mistake and fully explaining why its important.

My thread is protesting and heavily criticizing Maxis for not programming this as a core feature to the game. This isn't like adding snow or a new chair to the game, its a core feature the DEFINES what it is to be human and isn't this a simulation of life? What is life without personality?

Personalities are CORE TO THE HUMAN EXPERIENCE, hence for sims and not locked behind expansion packs.

This thread wasn't meant to be a discussion if they made a mistake - it is a mistake, ESPECIALLY from a programming and development point of view.
WolvesCreek
New Spectator
4 years ago
As a developer this choice honestly though really makes me scratch my head though.
LiELF
Seasoned Veteran
4 years ago
"TOLKIEN;c-17695608" wrote:
"RavenSpit;c-17695590" wrote:
just letting you know, a thread about this already exists https://forums.thesims.com/en_US/discussion/982612/is-it-okay-for-personality-improvements-to-be-tied-to-eps#latest

I know this thread exists but Simtrippy is politely asking a question - she is giving the developers a choice to say yes or no. This should not be a discussion, but a hard point of criticism towards Maxis from a development point of view of their mistake by locking this as an expansion feature and not core code to the Sims 4.

SimTrippy made a "nice" thread for people to share their thoughts, asking if they think it should be a expansion feature or not. Its the difference between going to a debate or standing up in protest to point out Maxis has made a serious mistake and fully explaining why its important.

My thread is protesting and heavily criticizing Maxis for not programming this as a core feature to the game. This isn't like adding snow or a new chair to the game, its a core feature the DEFINES what it is to be human and isn't this a simulation of life? What is life without personality?

Personalities are CORE TO THE HUMAN EXPERIENCE, hence for sims and not locked behind expansion packs.

This thread wasn't meant to be a discussion if they made a mistake - it is a mistake, ESPECIALLY from a programming and development point of view.

Then maybe you should have put it in the feedback section.
NateWhiplash
Rising Vanguard
4 years ago
It's not hard to understand. Companies like EA and Maxis are all about making money, so if they can dangle a carrot in front of us to get us to buy the EP, they'll do it. I don't agree with it, but it IS business....
simgirl1010
Hero
4 years ago
I'm wondering if they've decided not to make any changes to traits but instead add something like this to remaining packs to give some individuality to our sims. It'll be interesting to see if there's something similar in the next pack.
Felicity_Bane
4 years ago
There are two possible outcomes if it's locked to the expansion: it will be amazing and people will be mad because a basic feature is paywalled OR it will be awful and people who bought the pack thinking it would improve personalities will be mad ;)

But the more I think about it, the more I think that at least the basic system, if it is a personality overhaul, will be in the base game. It's too much and too complex of a change for it not to be.
WolvesCreek
New Spectator
4 years ago
"Felicity;c-17695886" wrote:
There are two possible outcomes if it's locked to the expansion: it will be amazing and people will be mad because a basic feature is paywalled OR it will be awful and people who bought the pack thinking it would improve personalities will be mad ;)

But the more I think about it, the more I think that at least the basic system, if it is a personality overhaul, will be in the base game. It's too much and too complex of a change for it not to be.

"Nate_Whiplash1;c-17695693" wrote:
It's not hard to understand. Companies like EA and Maxis are all about making money, so if they can dangle a carrot in front of us to get us to buy the EP, they'll do it. I don't agree with it, but it IS business....

This speaks to the issue that many sims 4 players don't buy many of the packs in general. Often sticking to one or two that really stand out to them, especially when so many are on offer (35 packs and counting)

If this was made a core feature than it would not be a core feature lost in pile of packs, that I'm sure many sim players won't even be aware of.

With that said one possible reason this is limited to a pack could be a feature locked to a budget and using an expansion to obtain access to those resources, but thats pretty sad. Considering games like No Mans Sky see constant massive updates to the base game without charging extra for it. Its not like EA doesn't have deep pockets.
fjb792
4 years ago
Honestly, if they really do overhaul personalities and charge $40 for it, then it's just GREED, pure and simple. They know that this should be base game content. They know what they promised 6 years ago when the game was launched. And they are openly charging money for something that should have been part of the base game.
I really hope they understand that people are watching, and some of us will be voting with our wallets. And some of us won't be buying the Sims 5 because of tactics like this.
I really, really hope they're patching any personality overhauls to base game, so everyone who bought the game can enjoy it, not just those with an extra $40 in their pockets. Otherwise I'm done with this series entirely. I'll be sending a check straight to Paralives :D :D
peterskywalker
4 years ago
I’m sure that this will be included in the patch for snowy escape. With more added in that expansion pack.

It was the same with lot traits for city living