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Maxis, I Want To Talk To You About Representation.

Each time I read some news about this game (TS4) and or even a newer, future game, I read a lot about how important it is to have diversity and representation. Yes, I would agree. However, Maxis, do...

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I know for a fact, I'm not the only one starting to see this and or feel this way. While representation in a game is important and makes people feel included into a realm of gaming, isn't it just another form of gameplay? Hear me out about that.

While the game franchise has included all types of gamers such as builders, story tellers, cc creators, script modders, and those who play to play the game, rather than tell a story, isn't representation (Simself) also a form of gameplay?

Not many people I have known in the past twenty years in the Simming Community play their Simselves. Some of us find that type of gameplay too close for comfort, after all it would be weird for the deviant player I might be sometimes, to aggravate my Simself, and or my parent or my siblings etc. But how I play sometimes (deviant) is just another way to play.

Isn't representation just another way to play, too? It's starting to seem like that is the only type of gaming that is getting much special attention. If you look back over the last few years, that community that requires a great deal of content and attention seem to be getting very special attention and content much more often and special Twitch videos and patches, and updates, etc. etc.

What other groups are you promoting in special patches, and updates and live videos etc.? None that I have seen in the past few years.

You may think it's odd I would write this feedback, but really take a good hard look, what other types of events, parades, diversity, (diversity of thought matters, too, not just skin types) have you been working on, and or trying to bring to the game that has nothing at all to do with gender neutral pronouns and or the LGBTQ community or diverse skin tones? I'm really perplexed by all the special attention some seem to get in content while other type players don't seem to be heard at all. Which other types of classes of people are you planning to celebrate every year and flood with special patches and updates and celebrate all the time? Many others are starting to feel excluded from any special patches and or updates and or left out altogether. I'm not being flipped, I'm being real. Just ask anyone on the street.","kudosSumWeight":1,"postTime":"2021-05-20T06:55:48.000-07:00","images":{"__typename":"AssociatedImageConnection","edges":[],"totalCount":0,"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"tags":{"__typename":"TagConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"timeToRead":2,"currentRevision":{"__ref":"Revision:revision:1633041_1"},"latestVersion":null,"metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":5577},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","canonicalUrl":null,"seoTitle":null,"seoDescription":null,"isEscalated":null,"placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"messagePolicies":{"__typename":"MessagePolicies","canModerateSpamMessage":{"__typename":"PolicyResult","failureReason":{"__typename":"FailureReason","message":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","key":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","args":[]}}},"archivalData":null,"customFields":[],"body":"Each time I read some news about this game (TS4) and or even a newer, future game, I read a lot about how important it is to have diversity and representation. Yes, I would agree. However, Maxis, do you even realize how much time and effort you are putting into TS4 to make the LBGTQ community happy? It's almost to the point that every update or news and or new patch or whatever it may be, is all about the community and all others ignored.

I know for a fact, I'm not the only one starting to see this and or feel this way. While representation in a game is important and makes people feel included into a realm of gaming, isn't it just another form of gameplay? Hear me out about that.

While the game franchise has included all types of gamers such as builders, story tellers, cc creators, script modders, and those who play to play the game, rather than tell a story, isn't representation (Simself) also a form of gameplay?

Not many people I have known in the past twenty years in the Simming Community play their Simselves. Some of us find that type of gameplay too close for comfort, after all it would be weird for the deviant player I might be sometimes, to aggravate my Simself, and or my parent or my siblings etc. But how I play sometimes (deviant) is just another way to play.

Isn't representation just another way to play, too? It's starting to seem like that is the only type of gaming that is getting much special attention. If you look back over the last few years, that community that requires a great deal of content and attention seem to be getting very special attention and content much more often and special Twitch videos and patches, and updates, etc. etc.

What other groups are you promoting in special patches, and updates and live videos etc.? None that I have seen in the past few years.

You may think it's odd I would write this feedback, but really take a good hard look, what other types of events, parades, diversity, (diversity of thought matters, too, not just skin types) have you been working on, and or trying to bring to the game that has nothing at all to do with gender neutral pronouns and or the LGBTQ community or diverse skin tones? I'm really perplexed by all the special attention some seem to get in content while other type players don't seem to be heard at all. Which other types of classes of people are you planning to celebrate every year and flood with special patches and updates and celebrate all the time? Many others are starting to feel excluded from any special patches and or updates and or left out altogether. I'm not being flipped, I'm being real. Just ask anyone on the street."},"Conversation:conversation:1633041":{"__typename":"Conversation","id":"conversation:1633041","solved":false,"topic":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:1633041"},"lastPostingActivityTime":"2021-06-01T06:12:55.000-07:00","lastPostTime":"2021-06-01T06:12:55.000-07:00","unreadReplyCount":162,"isSubscribed":false},"ModerationData:moderation_data:1633041":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:1633041","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"Revision:revision:1633041_1":{"__typename":"Revision","id":"revision:1633041_1","lastEditTime":"2021-05-20T06:55:48.000-07:00"},"ForumReplyMessage:message:1633144":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","id":"message:1633144","conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:1633041"},"author":{"__ref":"User:user:207046"},"revisionNum":1,"uid":1633144,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:the-sims-4-general-discussion-en"},"subject":"Re: Maxis, I Want To Talk To You About Representation.","readOnly":false,"editFrozen":false,"moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:1633144"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:1633041"},"body":"@SimmerGeorge I don't think a bunch of updated hairstyles and a few eye-presets are that much compared to the other updates they've implemented around the same time. I mean, when you look at the previous years, except for the handful of 'big' updates, there were years where we only got a bunch of Christmas stuff, or three chairs and a t-shirt. I mean, even the 20th anniversary was a recycled item with a decoration snapped on top.

Which, yeah, I too feel they underdeliver sometimes. Especially when you look at the annual profit that's being made by this game, but that's a separate issue. In this thread it's about whether there's too much focus on representation and playing as your simself. Which I would agree with, if that representation were at the cost of other updates. However, my conclusion is that, that's not the case. The game is just lacking in general, it was lacking when it was shipped. And representation, especially for POC was severely lacking, too. Up to a point where it was even a little insulting. Glitchy skin tones, vegetable hair, those things are not okay.

We can argue whether the gender update was necessary, which is the only BIG update they did for the LGBTQ+ community. I thought it was cool, but Cinebar doesn't like it. So, I guess that's just a matter of perspective. Besides that, they only added a bunch of flags and recolored some tights and a shirt.

I do agree with @Cinebar though, that there's way too much focus on visual aesthetics and not enough on gameplay. But I don't think representation is to blame. That's a general problem with the game that's existed since 2014.

I mean, just look at the kits that came out. All the BB/CAS items look lovely, but the only one that offers actual gameplay was a buggy mess at release and still lacks proper pack integration. I think THAT is a more serious problem than the fact they're updating a bunch of hairstyles or are thinking about implementing pronouns.","body@stringLength":"1993","rawBody":"@SimmerGeorge I don't think a bunch of updated hairstyles and a few eye-presets are that much compared to the other updates they've implemented around the same time. I mean, when you look at the previous years, except for the handful of 'big' updates, there were years where we only got a bunch of Christmas stuff, or three chairs and a t-shirt. I mean, even the 20th anniversary was a recycled item with a decoration snapped on top.

Which, yeah, I too feel they underdeliver sometimes. Especially when you look at the annual profit that's being made by this game, but that's a separate issue. In this thread it's about whether there's too much focus on representation and playing as your simself. Which I would agree with, if that representation were at the cost of other updates. However, my conclusion is that, that's not the case. The game is just lacking in general, it was lacking when it was shipped. And representation, especially for POC was severely lacking, too. Up to a point where it was even a little insulting. Glitchy skin tones, vegetable hair, those things are not okay.

We can argue whether the gender update was necessary, which is the only BIG update they did for the LGBTQ+ community. I thought it was cool, but Cinebar doesn't like it. So, I guess that's just a matter of perspective. Besides that, they only added a bunch of flags and recolored some tights and a shirt.

I do agree with @Cinebar though, that there's way too much focus on visual aesthetics and not enough on gameplay. But I don't think representation is to blame. That's a general problem with the game that's existed since 2014.

I mean, just look at the kits that came out. All the BB/CAS items look lovely, but the only one that offers actual gameplay was a buggy mess at release and still lacks proper pack integration. I think THAT is a more serious problem than the fact they're updating a bunch of hairstyles or are thinking about implementing 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