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Rant: I think I just found a reasonable reason why we are not getting Snow Depth.","id":"message:1403258","revisionNum":1,"repliesCount":109,"author":{"__ref":"User:user:140052"},"depth":0,"hasGivenKudo":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:the-sims-4-general-discussion-en"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:1403258"},"readOnly":false,"editFrozen":false,"moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:1403258"},"body@stripHtml({\"truncateLength\":200})":"\"I changed the title to a new one because I just realized what I am really about to say\" All of these are just my opinion, I just want y'all to know that I'm just being optimistic on this EP. But...","body@stringLength":"6921","rawBody":"\"I changed the title to a new one because I just realized what I am really about to say\"
All of these are just my opinion, I just want y'all to know that I'm just being optimistic on this EP. But it doesn't mean the fact that others should do too. I noticed that almost all of the people here are attacking me or disagreeing with me.
Latest Edit: TBH I did get disappointed of having no snow depth on the upcoming EP in the first place. It's one of things that I always expecting in Seasons EP. But it's \"the Sims 4\" (The dark ages of the sims\". LOL. But I just realized that the cons are cooler than pros. But that's my choice and opinion. I'm still open to all of the opinions of yours. Also, I am already used to this lackness in the Sims 4. But I'm OK with it.
This is my comments and reply to another sim community website but'll just gonna share it to you.
I'm OK with no snow depth because I only think that they are just for visuals, much more like what they did in City Living (the backdrops), you haven't gotten any game changing activities and gameplay at all, which is so lame for me for an expansion.
I think they did a good decision to focus more on all four seasons and activities rather than snow depth.Snow isn't just the best in seasons, a lot of people like summer activities too!
These new features will add more realistic vibe in the game. And that is really cool!
PLUS: If we ever get a Vacation Type game pack in the future, I'm sure they'll integrate sunburns with seasons, duh.
And also please don't be disappointed with the \"no snow depth\" in seasons, cebause there will be new and cool things that will be added in the game and first time in the Sims Franchise like the 'thermostat\" and many more...
Then, Someone Replied
The problem is that they should not be making any sacrifices. This is the 4th generation for God's sake. They always have to sacrifice something that we've had in the past. It was the same thing with Cats & Dogs, and at the end it didn't pay off, as always. We've seen it before we know how the story goes... \"Hey we decided to cut this to add these\" but at the end it's not worth it... You'll see :)
Then, I Said:
Sims 4 Has a New Game ENGINE which is entirely different from the Sims 3. Sims 4 has more advance tools and AI (does Sims 3 have that?) Plus they've created the sims 4 so complicated: Even the devs. find the 'coding\" so difficult. You can't just add Sims 3 Codes in an entirely different game file.
The reason why some features didn't make it to the game is that the dev. genuinely can't do it. They Will if they Can. Plus budget and limited time is their number one problem.
In conclusion, the team is trying their best to satisfy the players by giving us cool features and entirely new gameplay.
As i said if we'll have actualy snow depth in snow, that'll be totally like the backdrops in CITY living. Our eyes will be satisfied by that. But a lot of people hated it. And as D********e said (below), people wanted actual gamechaning gameplay and interactions, unlike what City Living DID!!!
Question: Do you like to have the VISUALLY APPEALING snow depth while the world will look so dull, no new features like thermostat, no integration with the other packs, no Custom Holidays (which is new to the game). And even the worst, the EP will introduce a new world but seasons will only be confined in that world and not to the others. Do you want that?
EDIT:
I think the only reason why we didn't get any snow depth is that it will require more work and and time to completely do it. As far as we know, they have revamped or changed every objects in the world four times for every seasons. I think there are about 10 Worlds in the game so far (exluciding hidden and and active career worlds from GTW) and a total of 4-5 neighborhoods on each world i think. Yup. they have to do it on each neighborhood. Yeah, that's a lot work and time.
You know that the worlds in the game is completely different from the sims 3. right?. You cannot just change each world in a single work. Because, yeah it ain't open world my friend. There are many neighborhoods in each world as has different appeaarance|structure and game file for each of this.
Starting from the trees, to plants, to ground, the backdrops, and all other things in the game. Yup, they've revamped all that 4 TIMEs. I may not be good in Mathematics but I think they'll have to do the work all over again for an estimated times of 200 times. Yes, you heard it. Snow depth will only make it more needs of time and effort.
Plus, if we are ever gonna get snowdepth in the game, then we may not be getting seasons this soon after all. And then a lot of people wil start to complain, \"Whey they didn't just wanna give us what we want, SEASONS\". This restlessness I see on these people is I think the reason is why they've prioritize this.
A lot of people will be askin', \"Why didn't they just add an overlay of thick snow in each world\". As I just said, each world has also 5 neighborhoods, that will be so ambitious.
I've just happy (for me) that SEASONS is finally here and are getting it in less than a month. And another plus i think, if we'r ever gonna get seasons with snow depth, and then they'' cut off ,, ummm \"many activities maybe\" or maybe for sure. Then they'll be mad again and I think that is really bad and worse is BS.
This was a screenshot that was tweeted last night 4:00 AM in our country (7 PM in US EST). In case if you didn't know, they've also revampedthe this world from GTW which has been here for like 4 years ago.
The Only Answer to This Issue is the simplest of them all, \"Time and Effort, ..... plus Money\", yup, I'm not kidding
People Can't be Contented, Life Finds a Way. (jurassic world fallen kingdom LOL hahaha, i'm just excited for this and the EP, cause they are launching and the same date, JUNE 22 )
EDIT: June, 7 2018
I know that this'll gonna be off topic cebause I don't want to make another thread about the snow depth, But here it is!
Comparing this image of leaf piles from the two games, really explains a lot to me and answered most of my questions regarding TS4 itself.
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All of these are just my opinion, I just want y'all to know that I'm just being optimistic on this EP. But it doesn't mean the fact that others should do too. I noticed that almost all of the people here are attacking me or disagreeing with me.
Latest Edit: TBH I did get disappointed of having no snow depth on the upcoming EP in the first place. It's one of things that I always expecting in Seasons EP. But it's \"the Sims 4\" (The dark ages of the sims\". LOL. But I just realized that the cons are cooler than pros. But that's my choice and opinion. I'm still open to all of the opinions of yours. Also, I am already used to this lackness in the Sims 4. But I'm OK with it.
This is my comments and reply to another sim community website but'll just gonna share it to you.
I'm OK with no snow depth because I only think that they are just for visuals, much more like what they did in City Living (the backdrops), you haven't gotten any game changing activities and gameplay at all, which is so lame for me for an expansion.
I think they did a good decision to focus more on all four seasons and activities rather than snow depth.Snow isn't just the best in seasons, a lot of people like summer activities too!
These new features will add more realistic vibe in the game. And that is really cool!
PLUS: If we ever get a Vacation Type game pack in the future, I'm sure they'll integrate sunburns with seasons, duh.
And also please don't be disappointed with the \"no snow depth\" in seasons, cebause there will be new and cool things that will be added in the game and first time in the Sims Franchise like the 'thermostat\" and many more...
Then, Someone Replied
The problem is that they should not be making any sacrifices. This is the 4th generation for God's sake. They always have to sacrifice something that we've had in the past. It was the same thing with Cats & Dogs, and at the end it didn't pay off, as always. We've seen it before we know how the story goes... \"Hey we decided to cut this to add these\" but at the end it's not worth it... You'll see :)
Then, I Said:
Sims 4 Has a New Game ENGINE which is entirely different from the Sims 3. Sims 4 has more advance tools and AI (does Sims 3 have that?) Plus they've created the sims 4 so complicated: Even the devs. find the 'coding\" so difficult. You can't just add Sims 3 Codes in an entirely different game file.
The reason why some features didn't make it to the game is that the dev. genuinely can't do it. They Will if they Can. Plus budget and limited time is their number one problem.
In conclusion, the team is trying their best to satisfy the players by giving us cool features and entirely new gameplay.
As i said if we'll have actualy snow depth in snow, that'll be totally like the backdrops in CITY living. Our eyes will be satisfied by that. But a lot of people hated it. And as D********e said (below), people wanted actual gamechaning gameplay and interactions, unlike what City Living DID!!!
Question: Do you like to have the VISUALLY APPEALING snow depth while the world will look so dull, no new features like thermostat, no integration with the other packs, no Custom Holidays (which is new to the game). And even the worst, the EP will introduce a new world but seasons will only be confined in that world and not to the others. Do you want that?
EDIT:
I think the only reason why we didn't get any snow depth is that it will require more work and and time to completely do it. As far as we know, they have revamped or changed every objects in the world four times for every seasons. I think there are about 10 Worlds in the game so far (exluciding hidden and and active career worlds from GTW) and a total of 4-5 neighborhoods on each world i think. Yup. they have to do it on each neighborhood. Yeah, that's a lot work and time.
You know that the worlds in the game is completely different from the sims 3. right?. You cannot just change each world in a single work. Because, yeah it ain't open world my friend. There are many neighborhoods in each world as has different appeaarance|structure and game file for each of this.
Starting from the trees, to plants, to ground, the backdrops, and all other things in the game. Yup, they've revamped all that 4 TIMEs. I may not be good in Mathematics but I think they'll have to do the work all over again for an estimated times of 200 times. Yes, you heard it. Snow depth will only make it more needs of time and effort.
Plus, if we are ever gonna get snowdepth in the game, then we may not be getting seasons this soon after all. And then a lot of people wil start to complain, \"Whey they didn't just wanna give us what we want, SEASONS\". This restlessness I see on these people is I think the reason is why they've prioritize this.
A lot of people will be askin', \"Why didn't they just add an overlay of thick snow in each world\". As I just said, each world has also 5 neighborhoods, that will be so ambitious.
I've just happy (for me) that SEASONS is finally here and are getting it in less than a month. And another plus i think, if we'r ever gonna get seasons with snow depth, and then they'' cut off ,, ummm \"many activities maybe\" or maybe for sure. Then they'll be mad again and I think that is really bad and worse is BS.
This was a screenshot that was tweeted last night 4:00 AM in our country (7 PM in US EST). In case if you didn't know, they've also revampedthe this world from GTW which has been here for like 4 years ago.
The Only Answer to This Issue is the simplest of them all, \"Time and Effort, ..... plus Money\", yup, I'm not kidding
People Can't be Contented, Life Finds a Way. (jurassic world fallen kingdom LOL hahaha, i'm just excited for this and the EP, cause they are launching and the same date, JUNE 22 )
EDIT: June, 7 2018
I know that this'll gonna be off topic cebause I don't want to make another thread about the snow depth, But here it is!
Comparing this image of leaf piles from the two games, really explains a lot to me and answered most of my questions regarding TS4 itself.
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\"EveryDaySim;c-16504738\" wrote: I'm usually just a lurker who only ever reads posts, but I had to log in and respond to this post because I've been following this fiasco as well.
Different games will make different design choices. They can and will differ from iteration to iteration. What a game \"has\" to be or \"has\" to have is never, ever written in stone. What timeline they \"have\" to have or schedule they follow, is up to them to manage or change as needed also.
Lately in gaming, there seems to have arisen a new type of players who basically conduct themselves as self-appointed arbiters, and attempt to enforce their demands by behaving, basically, as \"righteousness bullies\". The level of intolerance displayed by many of these types towards both the game devs and fellow community members has reached a level of toxicity I had thought couldn't possibly top what gamers are already able to do. And yet some have managed. Some of them genuinely seem to be on the verge of an actual mental breakdown - over what? How deep the snow is in a winter scene in a video game. Which, after all, is a matter of both design choice and individual preference. Yet, look at the level of alternating hysteria and hostility applied by some of these individuals. You would think somebody had just slaughtered a village or something.
Designers are going to make design choices, people are going to have preferences, some things will be for you and some things won't. As has been said many times before, what it comes down to is individual choice. But when people are unable to apply reason and maturity to their thought processes and behavior, it's a good way to drive everyone away and make them stop caring. At this point, the devs can't ever win with people like this. And if I were having to consider making a Sims 5 and having to deal with this all over again, there's no way I would be interested in doing that.
There are many problems that we all see with this game, and many improvements that we would all like to have. But if this is the way people are going to be about it, over things like simple cosmetic preferences, then I am afraid we may all lose in the end.
I hope that the community can find its way back to rationality and reason again, because right now I am starting to feel like some people want to kill the game for everyone if it can't be custom made just for them.
Do you have links showing the so called 'hysteria'? I would like to read those. I would have to debate you on the comments 'the devs can never win'. That isn't true at all. They did a fanstatic job with The Sims, The Sims 2, and most of The Sims 3. And we had gameplay and depth of snow...go figure. :D
Oh, and customization to the individual player is the root of The Sims, just ask Will Wright, so wishing for a return of that sort of setup isn't beyond the pale where Simmers can tell their own stories and not EA's.","body@stringLength":"3046","rawBody":"
\"EveryDaySim;c-16504738\" wrote: I'm usually just a lurker who only ever reads posts, but I had to log in and respond to this post because I've been following this fiasco as well.
Different games will make different design choices. They can and will differ from iteration to iteration. What a game \"has\" to be or \"has\" to have is never, ever written in stone. What timeline they \"have\" to have or schedule they follow, is up to them to manage or change as needed also.
Lately in gaming, there seems to have arisen a new type of players who basically conduct themselves as self-appointed arbiters, and attempt to enforce their demands by behaving, basically, as \"righteousness bullies\". The level of intolerance displayed by many of these types towards both the game devs and fellow community members has reached a level of toxicity I had thought couldn't possibly top what gamers are already able to do. And yet some have managed. Some of them genuinely seem to be on the verge of an actual mental breakdown - over what? How deep the snow is in a winter scene in a video game. Which, after all, is a matter of both design choice and individual preference. Yet, look at the level of alternating hysteria and hostility applied by some of these individuals. You would think somebody had just slaughtered a village or something.
Designers are going to make design choices, people are going to have preferences, some things will be for you and some things won't. As has been said many times before, what it comes down to is individual choice. But when people are unable to apply reason and maturity to their thought processes and behavior, it's a good way to drive everyone away and make them stop caring. At this point, the devs can't ever win with people like this. And if I were having to consider making a Sims 5 and having to deal with this all over again, there's no way I would be interested in doing that.
There are many problems that we all see with this game, and many improvements that we would all like to have. But if this is the way people are going to be about it, over things like simple cosmetic preferences, then I am afraid we may all lose in the end.
I hope that the community can find its way back to rationality and reason again, because right now I am starting to feel like some people want to kill the game for everyone if it can't be custom made just for them.
Do you have links showing the so called 'hysteria'? I would like to read those. I would have to debate you on the comments 'the devs can never win'. That isn't true at all. They did a fanstatic job with The Sims, The Sims 2, and most of The Sims 3. And we had gameplay and depth of snow...go figure. :D
Oh, and customization to the individual player is the root of The Sims, just ask Will Wright, so wishing for a return of that sort of setup isn't beyond the pale where Simmers can tell their own stories and not 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