"Bastet;c-17862878" wrote:
"SimmerGeorge;c-17861374" wrote:
"Rosysimmer;c-17861346" wrote:
Nothing is 'manly' as that sets the expectation that ONLY men can do it.
@Rosysimmer Of course not but we are talking about things that men are more likely to be doing because there are certain things out there that attract a male audience more than female.
For example: ever been to a school for programming and computers? All you see there is dudes. It doesn't mean there are no women or that they aren't allowed to be interested in programming and computers. It's just that typically more men want to study IT programming for some reason. So calling it a more "man-thing" is actually pretty accurate.
It's not about who is allowed to do what. Of course everyone is allowed to do anything they want to. But there are just certain things that attract certain genders.
I'd hate to sound agressive but sorry not sorry, I've graduated from the top STEM program here and the female/male ratio is around 1:1 in almost every field. Before you ask, no, there's no female quota or anything supporting any gender or minority or whatever your liberal countries could offer - and it's filthy hard to get accepted and graduate. No mercy spared. HOWEVER I observe that the shittier STEM programs get the more they are likely to be packed with dudes claiming to be the next Isaac Newton.
See, I'm just so sick of this "STEM programs are basically sausage parties UwU" ❤️❤️❤️❤️. They are not. Seriously, no matter how liberal your country might be you're scaring young girls off repeating this like an hymn over and over (and then wonder why women are not interested in these certain topics. Seriously?) If I were put through between "yer not like the otter girls *squeak*" and "Wimmen in STEM ship=bad luck arrrr!" my whole school life I'd never even consider giving a second glance to the program I've graduated. Good ol' times before global social media <3
Sorry for the rant, nothing personal. Here's a pretty flower as a gesture of peace? I'm all for representation of men, women, otters, Don Lothario and even engineers in the game as they wish. Still, it's not a good idea to sell mere observations as the laws of nature.
Maybe timing is a factor, but all of my classes were mostly guys (Computer Science/Electronics Engineering). I'd say the ratio was about 10:1. I don't think there is anything wrong with stating that there are probably more men than women in these programs. That's why we have so many outreach programs now trying to get young girls interested in STEM subjects. And girls do not tend to be interested in these programs. I raised my own daughter with all types of STEM toys, shared my knowledge with her, did projects together, she doesn't have the slightest bit of interest in it at age 14. I never pushed her and she saw me doing cool things she's proud to tell everyone about (helping "build" an air traffic control tower...she points at that thing every time we pass it when we fly back home and tells everyone within earshot that her mom built that). Her dad is also a scientist and the girl is practically failing science, which is an utter embarrassment, but it is what it is. She is much more girly than I ever was and her interests are shopping and anything creative. Even though she's had plenty of time using a screwdriver, she wouldn't be able to pick it out of a toolbox. All I'm saying is...depends on where you live and how those Women in STEM campaigns are going.