Smarten up TS4

"Elegantblkchina1;c-16637477" wrote:

"Cynna;c-16479012" wrote:

"Evil_One;c-16478398" wrote:


Because this game was supposed to be online, with players doing the parts and not NPCs, so they had to hastily add into the base game the NPC coding, multitasking, emotions, ETC.

The result is a hollow shell of a game.

You can thank anyone who still wants the Sims to be online.

Exactly this.

These Sims weren't meant to have personalities, the player was supposed to provide that.

This makes so much sense now. The thing that bothers me THE most is the lack of personality in this game. It seems like no matter what traits you choose, there is very little difference in their personalities. I miss my Sims having a brain of their own. I loved things like the attraction system that helped me mix up the relationships based on what my sim wanted instead of just which Sim I thought was cute. In general I just miss my Sims being different from each other and having a favorite. I don't really have favorites anymore as they're so similar in manner. (I just let out a big sigh just thinking about it :neutral: )

traits are really poor in this game. you don't see any big differences in the sims.

romance was so good in the sims 2. i wish they bring it back to this game, romance is okay with the flirty emotion. but i want to see more romance interactions and stuff to do on dates in the community.

return of chocolates, candy lolly s and bears, along with the diamond ring and chain from the sims 1, and heart shaped stuff like vibrating love bed, heart shaped hot tub for two ect ect

I bought The Sims 4 a few months back while it was in the Origin sale, and for a few days I actually found it entertaining. Then the novelty wore off: I would load the game up and then immediately quit it after only ten minutes of gameplay. Today I dug out the Sims 3 base game and expansion packs, installed them, and now I'm downloading the patch at this very moment. I do actually regret buying The Sims 4 because I find it boring. The game has been stripped of all the features which made previous games in the series exciting and fun to play.

Don't get me wrong, the sims themselves are interesting, but there are no driveable vehicles and there are a lot of features missing. I think The Sims 4 is a throwback to The Sims 1 in that the neighbourhood view is very similar, but the game just feels empty. Here's a list of things I both like and dislike about The Sims 4:

Positives:

1. The customisation options in CAS.
2. Graphics.
3. Better options for designing houses.
4. Realistic toddler skill building.
5. Ability to multi-task.

Negatives:

1. No vehicles.
2. No open ended-world.
3. Things become repetitive.

I think that in an attempt to make things more interesting, the creators have cut the features that were around in previous games so that players become engaged with how the characters behave.

Oh, and one more point: I recently bought the Jungle Adventures game pack. I was expecting a number of areas to explore around the Island, but instead there's only a large forest. It resets itself each time you revisit the vacation island, but it's not the same once you explore every part of the forest the first time around.

"Kniga_Sitara;c-16639352" wrote:
No, no sense. They planned three gameplay. Only one was online! Second story mod and third free mod was not for online. So empty sims are developers intentions. And this is it what I hate... Because is so little hope for change it... I hope that ts5 will be do better.... But I dont believe this simsguru developers...

Three modes: multiplayer, story, and free play. Given the requirement for online with SC it’s a given that all three modes would require a persistent internet connection to even load the game.

But I do agree. The lifeless empty vessels they call Sims are what the developers wanted for this game. If they weren’t they have had adequate time to upgrade them, which they haven’t. I don’t think there will be another PC Sims game after 4, so they should start listening to people and make this one enjoyable before they end the Pc franchise altogether.

"MeskenasBoii;c-16500685" wrote:
"Questionable Sims. Frustrating Stories"

This is my favorite quote now and forever <3

"Jordan061102;c-16624215" wrote:
Yeah we need an overhaul on personalities. For the moment sims are the most stupid sims ever created in this Franchise. They don't have memories, no real traits, the game is coded where all the sims react exactly the same way, relation don't have any sense, you can be enemy with someone and just after they'll laugh togheter, and even the emotion system isn't well executed. Since the day we are asking them to smarten up sims, I really hope that quarters without paid content means they'll be focused in this.

I agree with you.

"drake_mccarty;c-16640673" wrote:

"Kniga_Sitara;c-16639352" wrote:
No, no sense. They planned three gameplay. Only one was online! Second story mod and third free mod was not for online. So empty sims are developers intentions. And this is it what I hate... Because is so little hope for change it... I hope that ts5 will be do better.... But I dont believe this simsguru developers...

Three modes: multiplayer, story, and free play. Given the requirement for online with SC it’s a given that all three modes would require a persistent internet connection to even load the game.

But I do agree. The lifeless empty vessels they call Sims are what the developers wanted for this game. If they weren’t they have had adequate time to upgrade them, which they haven’t. I don’t think there will be another PC Sims game after 4, so they should start listening to people and make this one enjoyable before they end the Pc franchise altogether.

@drake_mccarty @Kniga_Sitara The Sims are empty vessels because they decided to try and sort out the most troublesome of the three modes first, multiplayer... They wasted over half of their development time on that alone and finally realised they could never get it working (no big surprise to me or to most of the others who hate the idea of The Sims being online, but a shock to them I'm sure), then they had to quickly tape together what they had, bump up the graphical details and try to code something to justify the long wait and the price tag... Predictably they failed, thus we have The Sims 4

Note: Anyone quoting this, please remove the @ tags so they don't get bombarded with messages, thanks

So.. TS4 was planned to be online but then developed to be an offline game. Still.. how come now after all these stuff packs & updates can we not have brighter sims, sims that can remember, or even sims who act according to the traits they are given?
I don't want a Sims 5. I don't trust the franchise enough anymore to get roped into buying endless expansion packs and stuff for a game that can't live up to it's name.

Apart from the failing MMO plans, I think another aspect that spoiled Sims 4 for me is the way they - I think - approached the ‘issue’ many players apparently had with ‘robotic’ sims in Sims 3 (quotation marks because for me there is no issue in that respect at all, I prefer my sims a bit more neutral). “They want quirky back, let’s give them quirky!” “They want sims to show emotions, let’s make emotions the core of the game!” “They loved Sims 1 and 2, they don’t care about loading screens or open world!” I think they aimed for the right reasons from their perspective and to meet complaints, but totally missed the bull’s-eye.

"Writin_Reg;c-16623713" wrote:

"rjssim;c-16623634" wrote:
After that patch before Seasons, the sims like 90% of the time don't even interact with each other and just stand there in places such as coffee shops and bars. I repaired the game, disabled all mods, and I disables all expansions etc but the problem is still happening even in just base game. I hope they get this fixed.

I actually get the opposite issue - as my sim goes out and I want her to build the relationship with the sim she went with and instead she runs around talking to everybody instead of the one sim I want her to focus on. I mean she's at the disco bar has topped her dance skills - so has the guy I want her to build the relationship with - figures get them dancing and talking and instead of just focusing on him she adds every sim in the club to conversation.

Everytime she goes out she adds 20 new friends - and her relationship with guy in question has barely moved.

My sims charisma is practically filled without even trying to fill it. Shes barely a friend status to her boyfriend. The pink she had in the relationship panel with him from the Romance festival has totally disappeared too.

That sim just talks too much to everyone I don't want her talking to. LOL.

LOL! I wish I could have at least half of that. I did a complete uninstall and re-download of everything and still no luck. Well, at least when I invite a group of friend sims over they all still interact. The problem is the other sims in the background. They just stand/sit there like mindless zombies, lol! It's like come on... talk already!

"SarahsShady;c-16645420" wrote:
So.. TS4 was planned to be online but then developed to be an offline game. Still.. how come now after all these stuff packs & updates can we not have brighter sims, sims that can remember, or even sims who act according to the traits they are given?
I don't want a Sims 5. I don't trust the franchise enough anymore to get roped into buying endless expansion packs and stuff for a game that can't live up to it's name.

Because once the game releases the studio makes most of their money by selling DLC. Funding for Sims 4 was also cut which leaves the studio with fewer hands to devote to the core of the game, at least without seriously impacting their DLC production. We’ve seen how the free updates tackle small areas of the game and usually don’t dig very deep at all when implementing core changes.

I also think that the base engine they have to work with is beyond their programming capabilities either because it’s poorly designed and would require a significant overhaul to change and not break, or because they don’t understand how to change it. When they implement new systems like toddlers or pets we see they can in fact make unique AI when it’s made from scratch, but what’s already there seems to be impossible for them to upgrade or even tweak.