@SikoahGrace wow these are all great ideas! ty so much! And yeah i'm the type of rotational players that gets bored easily. and i do love raising children but not 5 at a time ( my sims had twins and then triplets) because then it just becomes a hassle. some days i wish i wasnt aware of cheats lol. because in a family of 7 and all their needs are low i could easily fill them. same with low money/ lights turned off. i could just motherlode. but you're right in circumstances like those it would probably be best to discipline myself maybe have a family thats barely making ends meet, or make tv/video game characters into sims etc. all great ideas! :blush: