The reason I'll be harder on Sims than Paralives.

"SimmerGeorge;c-17673013" wrote:

"Babykittyjade;c-17673008" wrote:
@SimmerGeorge I don't even think it's about new and fresh things per se. Ts3 and ts4 both tried to bring fresh innovative ideas regardless of how well it was executed.
I think simmers are all about the details. Hence people in comments screaming about taking off his shoes instead of the zipline. Some are desperately missing ts2 style details and others who has never played it are still all about the details.
I was too little to remember playing ts2 so it's not nostalgia for me yet I go crazy for details. I always wished ts4 would bring out a pack just for animations, interactions and details but I know that would never happen.
Its interesting to see the paralives development but it would take an extreme lot to pull me away from sims personally. I wish them the best though?

@Babykittyjade Yes I love details too but it won't sell me the game. I loved the shoe thing but looking at Sebastian's sunburn that doesn't look so great, watching his face be so stiff and watching the water being flat doesn't help. People are taking the shoe thing as "this is everything the Sims doesn't have" but don't care about the water or stiffness in animations?
I'm excited for Paralives but this is a good example of people overexaggerating. Kind of like with the desks from Nifty Knitting that you could merge to make a bigger one. It was all over the forums and videos, people mentioning it as a primary feature and I'm like "Awesome detail but wait people are only talking about this one thing"

Lol very true. I notice how people hyper focus on one thing. They are desperately looking for what the sims is missing in this game. They seem to forget it's an indie game so no matter how much detail it might have in one area if will always lack in another.
And I could be wrong since I'm not a coder but I imagine coding all of these interactions to work together with smart AI, complex personalities and few bugs is where the real challenge lies. And I would be shocked if paralives can pull that off.
But like I always say, it doesn't have to be a paralives vs sims as many people try to make it. Why not enjoy whichever they choose or both at the same time. ?‍♀️

Obviously, Sims should be scrutinized more since it’s a bigger game company.

I’m kind of meh about Paralives. I am not a fan of the artstyle of the characters, and I’m waiting for more detailed textures of stuff on the final product. It does have a lot of great ideas, though!

I am just... cautious and waiting to see what simulation and gameplay concepts it can actually execute in a final product and how family gameplay and daily simulation is like.

I hope it’s good in the end, though! ??

I just wish I could be more excited about it. I’ve been watching the videos and still not really impressed for some reason.

"SimmerGeorge;c-17673013" wrote:

"Babykittyjade;c-17673008" wrote:
@SimmerGeorge I don't even think it's about new and fresh things per se. Ts3 and ts4 both tried to bring fresh innovative ideas regardless of how well it was executed.
I think simmers are all about the details. Hence people in comments screaming about taking off his shoes instead of the zipline. Some are desperately missing ts2 style details and others who has never played it are still all about the details.
I was too little to remember playing ts2 so it's not nostalgia for me yet I go crazy for details. I always wished ts4 would bring out a pack just for animations, interactions and details but I know that would never happen.
Its interesting to see the paralives development but it would take an extreme lot to pull me away from sims personally. I wish them the best though?

@Babykittyjade Yes I love details too but it won't sell me the game. I loved the shoe thing but looking at Sebastian's sunburn that doesn't look so great, watching his face be so stiff and watching the water being flat doesn't help. People are taking the shoe thing as "this is everything the Sims doesn't have" but don't care about the water or stiffness in animations? "

I think the Patreon email that originally accompanied this video before it was released on YouTube included something about how the video includes an older version of the character model and they’ve changed it a lot since. Hopefully they’ll release the most updated character-look soon to give people a view into the progress!

So, cartoon character , who looks drawed like Donald Duck takes his shoes away is now a hype?


Where is the gameplay video? Even a start of it?

Or is it the thing he took his shoes off?

"ClarionOfJoy;c-17674716" wrote:

"EgonVM;c-17673025" wrote:
When I am programming a game, I like to keep this quote from Shigeru Miyamoto in mind:
"A delayed game is eventually good, but a rushed game is forever bad."

That's what I like about Paralives. They won't rush, but do it in their own pace. If a good game is coming, I'm always willing to wait.

Though I am still thinking if it would be possible to play rotationally in Paralives. I need it! That's why I prefer The Sims 1, 2, and 4 over The Sims 3.

You can play rotationally in TS3.

Don’t mean to go OT, although I would like to know how I can rotationally play in TS3 without the Nraas mod.
I didn’t think there is a straight forward way to do it without cheats.

The only way to achieve ‘switching’ households is to merge them and kick/ move out the sim I don’t want to play any more. Is there a ‘make active household’ cheat? Or does it work via edit town?

"CAPTAIN_NXR7;c-17674760" wrote:

The only way to achieve ‘switching’ households is to merge them and kick/ move out the sim I don’t want to play any more. Is there a ‘make active household’ cheat? Or does it work via edit town?

What?!! of course you can switch houses in sims 3 with zero mods. You went through so much trouble to do it, it seems, haha. Yes, you can do it in edit town. When people talk about rotational play they dont mean just switching the active household, but maybe i got you wrong? i am so sorry if i did, i want to claim it is because english is not my first language, but i misunderstood many times when reading things in my own language, so it is because of me, sadly XD

"Mareah;c-17674879" wrote:

"CAPTAIN_NXR7;c-17674760" wrote:

The only way to achieve ‘switching’ households is to merge them and kick/ move out the sim I don’t want to play any more. Is there a ‘make active household’ cheat? Or does it work via edit town?

What?!! of course you can switch houses in sims 3 with zero mods. You went through so much trouble to do it, it seems, haha. Yes, you can do it in edit town. When people talk about rotational play they dont mean just switching the active household, but maybe i got you wrong? i am so sorry if i did, i want to claim it is because english is not my first language, but i misunderstood many times when reading things in my own language, so it is because of me, sadly XD

No no, it’s me, I believe you! I got confused between two different things. :D
I actually went back into TS3 last week to check out a couple of features, but it has been 2.5 years since I played the game and I couldn’t for the life of me remember how to jump to and play another household or if there is in fact an easy way to do so.
So in edit town I just switch another household to an active one, is that how it works? I’ll check it out myself in a bit because I’m getting awful curious now.

I always believed that rotational play means that you choose several households to play with and jump between each one depending on which one you want to progress with.
In Sims 4 you can have multiple active households. However in Sims 3 I thought you can only have one and the rest will switch to NPC and become part of the story progression mechanics that take place outside of the active household. I believed for TS3 I need a mod to stop certain sims from getting married or getting babies if I want to go back to playing with them again. TS4 just doesn’t have that kind of story progression. But I could be utterly wrong. That’s why I‘m asking.

To get back on topic, I also wonder how Paralives will deal with rotational play and story progression.

ETA: I figured out how to switch to another household in TS3 via edit town. I remember I always used to do it that way. ?
My rotational play question still remains though...

"CAPTAIN_NXR7;c-17674901" wrote:

"Mareah;c-17674879" wrote:

"CAPTAIN_NXR7;c-17674760" wrote:

The only way to achieve ‘switching’ households is to merge them and kick/ move out the sim I don’t want to play any more. Is there a ‘make active household’ cheat? Or does it work via edit town?

What?!! of course you can switch houses in sims 3 with zero mods. You went through so much trouble to do it, it seems, haha. Yes, you can do it in edit town. When people talk about rotational play they dont mean just switching the active household, but maybe i got you wrong? i am so sorry if i did, i want to claim it is because english is not my first language, but i misunderstood many times when reading things in my own language, so it is because of me, sadly XD

No no, it’s me, I believe you! I got confused between two different things. :D
I actually went back into TS3 last week to check out a couple of features, but it has been 2.5 years since I played the game and I couldn’t for the life of me remember how to jump to and play another household or if there is in fact an easy way to do so.
So in edit town I just switch another household to an active one, is that how it works? I’ll check it out myself in a bit because I’m getting awful curious now.

I always believed that rotational play means that you choose several households to play with and jump between each one depending on which one you want to progress with.
In Sims 4 you can have multiple active households. However in Sims 3 I thought you can only have one and the rest will switch to NPC and become part of the story progression mechanics that take place outside of the active household. I believed for TS3 I need a mod to stop certain sims from getting married or getting babies if I want to go back to playing with them again. TS4 just doesn’t have that kind of story progression. But I could be utterly wrong. That’s why I‘m asking.

To get back on topic, I also wonder how Paralives will deal with rotational play and story progression.

ETA: I figured out how to switch to another household in TS3 via edit town. I remember I always used to do it that way. ?
My rotational play question still remains though...

Yeah, it's very clunky. When the game first shipped it had zero rotational play capability. It wasn't initially designed for it so it was kind of wedged in later (I don't know when, I had abandoned the game already) because a lot of the rotational players had a huge issue with its absence and complained.

I tried to use the system about a year and a half ago, made a second Sim in another household, but I didn't see him anywhere and his house wasn't even clickable, if I'm remembering right. I just know that it didn't work the way I wanted it to. I play my game to colonize and see my own Sims around and interact with them and guide their lives and I tend to ignore townies. And I switch households a lot. In 2 and 4, I can do that easily but 3 was a headache.

As for Paralives, it seems to be inspired by the Sims 3 setup from what I've heard so far; single household gameplay with rabbit holes in the town... so I don't think I'll be joining in, even with the news that they have an improved Parafolk design. That's okay though, there are people who are excited and I hope the game gets a lot of support, even if it's not for me. I'll still keep watching in case development changes.

for those who want it the paralives' disabled survey
https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSf86hFKLt7YsNtnGFpCZbFFuE__Sa4B93aZf1Vnw3vpDmCNRg/viewform

As for Paralives, it seems to be inspired by the Sims 3 setup from what I've heard so far; single household gameplay with rabbit holes in the town... so I don't think I'll be joining in, even with the news that they have an improved Parafolk design. That's okay though, there are people who are excited and I hope the game gets a lot of support, even if it's not for me. I'll still keep watching in case development changes

@LiELF but you will be able to make bunk beds, have above ground pools (when has the Sims ever had above ground pools), more diverse sims- like the business about Seb taking off his shoes, in a lot of cultures (Asian countries, and some middle-eastern countrieS) they take off their shoes when they come home, you will be able to strech stuff-like you can have a 3 person bed, or you can turn a desk lamp into a floor lamp, trees and curtiains will actually move, you can write on stockings, or on tombstones, Seasons and Pets (only 3 confirmed for the base game: Dogs, cats and Horses), you will be able to build a house on a slope, you will be able to have paras of different heights, walk-out basements,etc

"MadameLee;c-17678734" wrote:
for those who want it the paralives' disabled survey
https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSf86hFKLt7YsNtnGFpCZbFFuE__Sa4B93aZf1Vnw3vpDmCNRg/viewform

As for Paralives, it seems to be inspired by the Sims 3 setup from what I've heard so far; single household gameplay with rabbit holes in the town... so I don't think I'll be joining in, even with the news that they have an improved Parafolk design. That's okay though, there are people who are excited and I hope the game gets a lot of support, even if it's not for me. I'll still keep watching in case development changes

@LiELF but you will be able to make bunk beds, have above ground pools (when has the Sims ever had above ground pools), more diverse sims- like the business about Seb taking off his shoes, in a lot of cultures (Asian countries, and some middle-eastern countrieS) they take off their shoes when they come home, you will be able to strech stuff-like you can have a 3 person bed, or you can turn a desk lamp into a floor lamp, trees and curtiains will actually move, you can write on stockings, or on tombstones, Seasons and Pets (only 3 confirmed for the base game: Dogs, cats and Horses), you will be able to build a house on a slope, you will be able to have paras of different heights, walk-out basements,etc

While that's all great and no doubt there are many people excited for it all, none of that means anything to me. I honestly don't even understand the hype or rage about pools and bunk beds. I hardly ever use pools, and bunk beds are just beds. The shoe removal, while a cute touch, isn't a deal maker. I could take it or leave it. Standard objects are just objects. I don't build, so I'm happy with any cool structure that someone else makes as long as I can put outside files into my game. Cultural differences are great, but I usually just play in a fantasy world, not realistic, so again, it doesn't mean much to me beyond having options, which is always a welcome thing.

The things that are important to my personal play style are character appearance (including art style) and creation, the ability to colonize the world with my own characters, occult, fantastical, or any other kind of "non-realistic" options, interesting gameplay locations I can take my characters to visit, like bars, night clubs, ruins, parks, pool halls, haunted locations, or general adventure areas, and good interactive gameplay. Some of these are imperative for my simulation game. Others I could sacrifice if there was good compensation elsewhere to make it worth it to me. So that's why I am still keeping one eye on the development of Paralives because you never know what they'll end up doing.

But as of now, Paralives seems like it will be more of a realistic dollhouse game, and that's fine, that's just not what I'm interested in. But I think it's a good thing that it's going in that direction because Sims 4 strayed far away from it (even though The Sims series was never truly "realistic" to begin with). I prefer simulated adventures and fantastical themes, which I think is something the Sims 4 is generally good at and I hope it will carry on into Sims 5. Maybe the player base needs a good realistic life simulator that is separate from The Sims so those players can have their gameplay without it being muddled with weird stuff. But I love that weird stuff, lol.