The reason I'll be harder on Sims than Paralives.

I have Paralives on my wish list on Steam and can't wait for it to become available.

"Simburian;c-17655788" wrote:

"BrittanyChick22;c-17598583" wrote:
I've seen more improvement in paralives than I have seen in sims and sims is 20 years old. We're still buying the same tired expansions that should be base game material by now, corners have been cut, bugs, missing core gameplay etc. Meanwhile paralives has a height slider, how many times and for how long has the sims community pleaded for a height slider? But this little game with what 2 or 3 people working on it have done so. Ea is billionaire company, cant give you lounge chairs or functional game without bugs but they give you a tv show you didn't ask for. Problem is we tend to rush the things and want them immediat, that's why ea rushed sims 4. we just need to give them as much time as they need. A rushed game is bad, but a delayed game can only get better.

It's much easier when you have previous games to learn your trade on isn't it? What we need is something quite new and encompasses every thing we want in a sandbox game. I'm willing to wait and willing to throw money all over such a one again as I have done for the Sims games over the past 20 + years.

@Scobre I've got Sim Ant and 2000 in a cupboard somewhere too and a first generation x box I bought to play Urbz ............etc., etc. though that needed a new plug as the first was deemed unsafe....... I'm wondering if anybody would like them locally now, plus loads of manuals for games Sims 1 to 3 I no longer play. I need to unhoard! :#

That is awesome. I wish I had played Sim Ant and the Urbz. I wish they would bring the Urbz back, fun art design with that game. With fires around me, thinking my Sims 1 and 2 disks might go up in flames if the fires get too close. Actually interesting among these disasters you start to appreciate what is important to you or not and whether having a tangible game is a good thing. My Sims 2-4 games will be ok since digital, just got to back up the saves to the cloud again. My dad has a dark sense of humor like me and is like let our house burn. We have our go bags and emergency kits ready because we were getting them ready earlier this year when covid started happening.

Anyways I am a sandbox player too and yes why I think acknowledging older games is good. Each iteration has its pros and cons and acknowledging them helps a company grow by seeing what things worked and what things didn't the past 20 years. I do like that about Stardew Valley is yes there is a story in some way, but the paths to get there change each time. Probably why I like playing in my ultimate sandbox with Minecraft too.

"dearie_blossom;c-17656552" wrote:
If I was in the Paralives team I‘d be ???? my pants tbh. Sure, people now say that they‘d be very forgiving because the game was made by a small indie team but when they actually have the game in their hands it will be totally different. Then they‘ll be like „Why can‘t we have mods in Paralives? The Sims has mods“, „Why do Parafolks speak so weird? Why don‘t they have their own language like in the Sims?“, „Uugh, the parafolks look like characters from a cheap mobile game. The Sims has a way better art style“. Paralives fans need to be honest if they want the game to be a success. Giving the team a false sense of safety isn‘t helping.

I honestly see Paralives as even more woke than The Sims 4 and trying too hard to be a safe space rather than a fun game so I have not much hope.

I‘m going to give them a chance once the game releases if the reviews are positive but I don‘t have enough faith in the project to give them my money anymore.

I‘m more excited about the secret project of Rod Humble and Paradox (I really hope it‘s a life sim).

I just read that interview again from PCGames talking to Rod Humble, at Paradox Tectonics and I am now getting excited for it because the interviewer asked:

When might we hear more?

I’ve been told to officially say ‘soon’. It’s not going to be years down the road, so: soon.

https://pcgamesn.com/paradox-tectonic-new-game-rod-humble

"dearie_blossom;c-17656552" wrote:
If I was in the Paralives team I‘d be ???? my pants tbh. Sure, people now say that they‘d be very forgiving because the game was made by a small indie team but when they actually have the game in their hands it will be totally different. Then they‘ll be like „Why can‘t we have mods in Paralives? The Sims has mods“, „Why do Parafolks speak so weird? Why don‘t they have their own language like in the Sims?“, „Uugh, the parafolks look like characters from a cheap mobile game. The Sims has a way better art style“. Paralives fans need to be honest if they want the game to be a success. Giving the team a false sense of safety isn‘t helping.

I honestly see Paralives as even more woke than The Sims 4 and trying too hard to be a safe space rather than a fun game so I have not much hope.

I‘m going to give them a chance once the game releases if the reviews are positive but I don‘t have enough faith in the project to give them my money anymore.

I‘m more excited about the secret project of Rod Humble and Paradox (I really hope it‘s a life sim).

I have to agree that the art style in Sims 4 is pretty good although if I'm honest I have become a bit fed up with the clunky appearance of everything. I would like to have seen a more normal appearance without everything being so chunky and big. It's a nice style to be sure but it's the ONLY style which tends to wear a bit thin for me over time.

And I agree that there is a possibility that Paralives might offer things that are not quite to my taste. However, if Paralives offers more customisation then it will get my vote every time. Sims 4 is apparently supposed to represent life, but it doesn't actually do that. What it does represent more (and is limited to) is the developers' way of life which is not quite the same thing. If Paralives offers an open world, town editing and size and colour customisation, it will win me over hands down. And if it also offers the options to turn animations into a story line I can imagine for myself rather than animations which lead in only one direction (the devs' direction) then I don't think I will ever open Sims again.

Now if the Sims team ever step up to the mark (for me personally) then I will look at the game again. Until then, it has lost my interest.

"Chicklet453681;c-17656736" wrote:

"dearie_blossom;c-17656552" wrote:
If I was in the Paralives team I‘d be ???? my pants tbh. Sure, people now say that they‘d be very forgiving because the game was made by a small indie team but when they actually have the game in their hands it will be totally different. Then they‘ll be like „Why can‘t we have mods in Paralives? The Sims has mods“, „Why do Parafolks speak so weird? Why don‘t they have their own language like in the Sims?“, „Uugh, the parafolks look like characters from a cheap mobile game. The Sims has a way better art style“. Paralives fans need to be honest if they want the game to be a success. Giving the team a false sense of safety isn‘t helping.

I honestly see Paralives as even more woke than The Sims 4 and trying too hard to be a safe space rather than a fun game so I have not much hope.

I‘m going to give them a chance once the game releases if the reviews are positive but I don‘t have enough faith in the project to give them my money anymore.

I‘m more excited about the secret project of Rod Humble and Paradox (I really hope it‘s a life sim).

I just read that interview again from PCGames talking to Rod Humble, at Paradox Tectonics and I am now getting excited for it because the interviewer asked:

When might we hear more?

I’ve been told to officially say ‘soon’. It’s not going to be years down the road, so: soon.

https://pcgamesn.com/paradox-tectonic-new-game-rod-humble

If its a life simulator it sounds like its going to be amazing he was involved in Sims 2 so he's got my full trust cant wait to hear more on this its from March wonder how much longer is the wait for soon.

Also I like this quote this mindset has truly been lost in Sims games and everyone can see it. "I asked Will Wright what he'd take away from The Sims; he gave me a pitying look and said "I would add more"

"ChadSims2;c-17656976" wrote:

"Chicklet453681;c-17656736" wrote:

"dearie_blossom;c-17656552" wrote:
If I was in the Paralives team I‘d be ???? my pants tbh. Sure, people now say that they‘d be very forgiving because the game was made by a small indie team but when they actually have the game in their hands it will be totally different. Then they‘ll be like „Why can‘t we have mods in Paralives? The Sims has mods“, „Why do Parafolks speak so weird? Why don‘t they have their own language like in the Sims?“, „Uugh, the parafolks look like characters from a cheap mobile game. The Sims has a way better art style“. Paralives fans need to be honest if they want the game to be a success. Giving the team a false sense of safety isn‘t helping.

I honestly see Paralives as even more woke than The Sims 4 and trying too hard to be a safe space rather than a fun game so I have not much hope.

I‘m going to give them a chance once the game releases if the reviews are positive but I don‘t have enough faith in the project to give them my money anymore.

I‘m more excited about the secret project of Rod Humble and Paradox (I really hope it‘s a life sim).

I just read that interview again from PCGames talking to Rod Humble, at Paradox Tectonics and I am now getting excited for it because the interviewer asked:

When might we hear more?

I’ve been told to officially say ‘soon’. It’s not going to be years down the road, so: soon.

https://pcgamesn.com/paradox-tectonic-new-game-rod-humble

Also I like this quote this mindset has truly been lost in Sims games and everyone can see it. "I asked Will Wright what he'd take away from The Sims; he gave me a pitying look and said "I would add more"

Love that! :lol:

I didn't know about Paralives until coming here.

Considering how often the Sims is brought up as a record-breaking game franchise, it's always confused me that it's never had any serious imitators. A few have popped up here and there, but they're usually super cheap cash-ins that never even really tried to serve the same level of experience.

It's nice to see this, but I'm not sold yet. Just taking my first glance, something is rubbing me the wrong way with the screenshots, but I can't place it. The lighting is nice and shows how outdated the Sims 4 is, but I can't shake this nagging feeling about the rest.

As per the thread, I'll definitely give the team leeway, but if the game doesn't have what I like, then I won't buy it, even if I understand why it doesn't have those things.

"Horrorgirl6;d-976749" wrote:
The reason I'm going to be less hard, and more forgiving on Paralives.Is because the Paralives team is small, and it's new.Why the sims team is not small, has more funds.The franchise is 20 years.And I think the reason why people are hard on Sims 4,and franchise.Is because it has been 20 years.It feels the game hasn't made the progress for 20 years old

City Skylines was small and made a ton of money - where SimCity 2013, basically was killed by their arrogance.

I think you are right - 20+ years is a long time to get it right and the Sims 1 got it right the first time and for some reason, they have gone backwards.

"dearie_blossom;c-17656552" wrote:
If I was in the Paralives team I‘d be ???? my pants tbh. Sure, people now say that they‘d be very forgiving because the game was made by a small indie team but when they actually have the game in their hands it will be totally different. Then they‘ll be like „Why can‘t we have mods in Paralives? The Sims has mods“, „Why do Parafolks speak so weird? Why don‘t they have their own language like in the Sims?“, „Uugh, the parafolks look like characters from a cheap mobile game. The Sims has a way better art style“. Paralives fans need to be honest if they want the game to be a success. Giving the team a false sense of safety isn‘t helping.

I honestly see Paralives as even more woke than The Sims 4 and trying too hard to be a safe space rather than a fun game so I have not much hope.

I‘m going to give them a chance once the game releases if the reviews are positive but I don‘t have enough faith in the project to give them my money anymore.

I‘m more excited about the secret project of Rod Humble and Paradox (I really hope it‘s a life sim).

I recently read his statements about the subject (what he can reveal. It was not much) but it seems Ron Humble still doesn't get the point of The Sims to me. He is talking about fifteen different fish (to catch) rather than life simulators. He is talking depth in a way I don't think is necessary for a life simulator. Such as ten levels of fishing.....I don't know, how does that portray the human condition? It doesn't, it's just more RPG mindset to me. His 'depth' isn't the same as my idea of depth in gameplay.

ETA: I think way back to when he was over TS3, and he asked Wright what he would remove, and he told him nothing, he would add more, I think Mr. Humble's mind went directly to goals, levels, depth in RPGness. I don't think the light bulb went off in his head at all.

"Goldmoldar;c-17654037" wrote:
If Paralives does real well it will definitely be an power changer and if that happens and looking at what EA/Maxis did with previous franchises they just may close shop on the Sims series and turn it over to Patreon. Look at what happened to Sim Cities 2013, EA/Maxis gave that up and did not even put up an fight and now Paradox has Cities Skyline and made it successful.

YES.