The Sims 4 will continue into 2018!

"jackjack_k;c-15715714" wrote:
@drake_mccarty @Ciarassims;

Q: So up until last year the game was multiplayer online? Is it even possible to change the mechanics of the game without breaking it?
A: From what I read in the announcement, they decided to go with a new game engine for the offline version.

Olympus wasn't 2D as such, but Patrick Kelly said it wasn't a 3D rendered engine.

It's all in this page:
goo.gl/yPwT4H

Patrick Kelly literally states The Sims 4 has a new game engine, not Olympus' engine.

So please Drake, if we can stop with all the dramatics every time you question my posts, only for me to bring the sources through, that would be lovely.

Seriously? That source doesn't back up anything you said beyond getting a new engine, which isn't even the point I took issue with.

You said it was a 2D game, which is wrong.
You said it was a separate game, which is wrong.

They swapped out game engines. That's true, but Olympus + Sims 4 are identical regardless of that. They were at one point the same exact game, regardless of getting a new engine that was more than likely created from the online engine they scrapped. Do you think they had a completely different simulation engine just sitting around gathering dust? No. With how horrible the game was from AI to under the hood mechanics, it would make the most sense that what we got was created from something else instead of created for the purpose in which it was used.

I will always question your posts, and any post that makes bold statements going against confirmed information. This is the only time you have produced a source to my knowledge, and it doesn't exactly prove the point you are trying to make. Not sure what you consider dramatics, all I did was ask for a source because you were spreading false information, which you do regularly. Maybe if you fact checked yourself you could avoid others 'being dramatic' and calling you out on being wrong.

There is a reason why EA calls such projects Olympus, Ikarus or whatever instead of calling them the Sims 4 project or whatever game they were meant for - and it obviously is that EA doesn't want ordinary developers to know which game they are working on because if they did then the information could be leaked to the public. So most likely only a couple of the top producers (who had to know such that they could discuss things with EA) knew that. But all the other developers of course had their suspicions, guesses and believes. Patrick Kelly thought that it most likely was TS4. But my guess is that he was wrong because Olympus was too different from TS4 and I also remember to have seen some pictures in 2D which Patrick Kelly had leaked. Those pictures didn't look like something which had anything to do with the much more advanced graphics in TS4. So this graphics must have been developed for something else. We will just never know because Olympus was later dropped by EA.

"@drake_mccarty;c-15716044" wrote:

"jackjack_k;c-15715714" wrote:
@drake_mccarty @Ciarassims;

Q: So up until last year the game was multiplayer online? Is it even possible to change the mechanics of the game without breaking it?
A: From what I read in the announcement, they decided to go with a new game engine for the offline version.

Olympus wasn't 2D as such, but Patrick Kelly said it wasn't a 3D rendered engine.

It's all in this page:
goo.gl/yPwT4H

Patrick Kelly literally states The Sims 4 has a new game engine, not Olympus' engine.

So please Drake, if we can stop with all the dramatics every time you question my posts, only for me to bring the sources through, that would be lovely.

Seriously? That source doesn't back up anything you said beyond getting a new engine, which isn't even the point I took issue with.

You said it was a 2D game, which is wrong.
You said it was a separate game, which is wrong.

They swapped out game engines. That's true, but Olympus + Sims 4 are identical regardless of that. They were at one point the same exact game, regardless of getting a new engine that was more than likely created from the online engine they scrapped. Do you think they had a completely different simulation engine just sitting around gathering dust? No. With how horrible the game was from AI to under the hood mechanics, it would make the most sense that what we got was created from something else instead of created for the purpose in which it was used.

I will always question your posts, and any post that makes bold statements going against confirmed information. This is the only time you have produced a source to my knowledge, and it doesn't exactly prove the point you are trying to make. Not sure what you consider dramatics, all I did was ask for a source because you were spreading false information, which you do regularly. Maybe if you fact checked yourself you could avoid others 'being dramatic' and calling you out on being wrong.

Apart from the fact you just made 80% of this up,

A new engine means they started from scratch. Assets from Olympus may have been reused as he said (such as objects etc) as he said, but a new engine means it was never an online game.

A new engine, means exactly that. A whole new game. Started from scratch. The Sims 2 took assets from The Sims Bustin Out, does that make The Sims 2 a Bustin Out add on? No, because the Sims 2 is it's own game, with some assets carried over.

Assets carried over =/= The same engine

Your interpretations don't overrule the facts, I'm afraid.
So until you have some facts to share, your speculation isn't worth derailing my comments.

Also, I have posted this before. And in fact, you've never posted a single source, ever, in any thread, when you counter-post.
I can do the same. But I will provide a source when asked.

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As for the 2D comments, he says this:

"The Interactions and User Interface are separate from the 3D world/game engine. They will have to hook up the Interactions and UI to the new 3D engine"

This implies that the original engine may have not been fully 3D and his images support this. Perhaps not 2D, but not fully 3D either.

"@Erpe;c-15716058" wrote:
There is a reason why EA calls such projects Olympus, Ikarus or whatever instead of calling them the Sims 4 project or whatever game they were meant for - and it obviously is that EA doesn't want ordinary developers to know which game they are working on because if they did then the information could be leaked to the public. So most likely only a couple of the top producers (who had to know such that they could discuss things with EA) knew that. But all the other developers of course had their suspicions, guesses and believes. Patrick Kelly thought that it most likely was TS4. But my guess is that he was wrong because Olympus was too different from TS4 and I also remember to have seen some pictures in 2D which Patrick Kelly had leaked. Those pictures didn't look like something which had anything to do with the much more advanced graphics in TS4. So this graphics must have been developed for something else. We will just never know because Olympus was later dropped by EA.

Olympus was dropped in 2012. We also had confirmation that The Sims 4 also started in 2010, and was called The Sims 4 by devs. Yet Patrick Kelly was a dev in 2012 and called it Olympus.

I don't think or at least I hope that the people who develope this game are not stupid enough to end it until we have all the expansions. That would be a death nell for sims. The reason I think this is because sims 4 was ridiculously over priced to begin with and EA soon learnt that lesson dropping it at times to around £18. I hated sims 4 when I did finally break down and buy it and the reason was the toddlers. Yes, I know some of you hate them and boo hoo, use condoms or stop trying for babies. I love toddlers and it was a deal breaker for me. Not only did I not want to play 4 very often but I pretty much stopped altogether and just watched the likes of yammyxox, simsugar, urbansim, koffee and miramouse. Whilst I enjoyed their LP's it did not make me want to play this game. Then I came onto the forum on THE DAY they released toddlers and that changed a lot for me. I am in love with these pint sized terrors and can't wait to get a good enough relationship with the caged infant to play with them. My only gripe is all the damn boys! Don't get me wrong, as a gay guy I like boys but my children? I would like a mix please. LOL! If I don't get a little girl the first five or six times I cheat for one now. Those CC outfits are so darn cute! Now back to it. I am quite content with sims 4 and as long as they don't mess with my CC we get along just fine. I would like another blank neighbourhood to do myself but time will tell. EA needs to do one thing and that is all, stop being grubby about money and think about the people playing and what they can and cannot afford. Not all of us can fork out the dosh for everything and it is not fair to those little girls playing to have to beg mummy and daddy for £30 for an expansion that is really only worth around fifteen quid. so sims5? who cares, try making this the best game ever and you will ALWAYS have people buying and playing, screw us over again and we might all say f... it and leave. have a rainbow day!

"@drake_mccarty;c-15711765" wrote:

"jackjack_k;c-15710786" wrote:

"@Ciarassims;c-15710545" wrote:

"jackjack_k;c-15665561" wrote:

"@aws200;15665142" wrote:
So at least another 5-8 stuff packs, 2-4 game packs, and 1 expansion pack before end of 2018. Alright doesn't matter when it ends though. As long as they take their time with the next game and not rush it or attempt to make another Sims Online then realize people don't want always online DRM via Sim City 2013 therefore scrap the original product (Olympus) and make a new game in under a year with excuses as to why its not good as the past base games. Just take the time to make something good, a true sequel. As for Sims 4....eh its not going places after all these years so another year or two of content won't make a difference. Still lack so much base game features/content from past games after about three years. To which I doubt we will ever see in Sims 4 since there's so many issues and limitations as even the developers have admitted to. Such as beards and lounge chairs are harder to make than in the past.
http://i.imgur.com/2yzdF15.png
This is actually upsetting. If a sequel is more limiting then how can it be more fun than the last game?

You obviously didn't understand the context of her tweet, lmao.
The Sims 3 wasn't limited because they used The Sims 2 engine.
The Sims 4 has started from Scratch.

They added beards in Get Together.

*Olympus

Nope.

The person who confirmed Olympus (Patrick Kelly) literally said that Olympus was a 2D game separate from The Sims 4, and was scrapped early on. The Sims 4 was a seperate game. But shared the same "look" which is why people assumed The Sims 4 was Olympus.

Patrick Kelly confirmed The Sims 4 started from a whole new engine :)

It's just a misconception amongst Simmers who have heard about it through chinese whispers.

Ahem-
This is by far one of the most exaggerated, and untrue posts I have ever seen from you dude. First of all, PK never said Olympus was 2D and he never, ever, ever said that Olympus was a completely different game than The Sims 4. He actually said quite the opposite, and the visual mock ups we have show what, a 3D game??

Sims 4 as an online game failed during development, so they changed course and made it into an offline game with the scraps of what they had. Seriously, that is what Patrick Kelly shared, nothing more. If you have some sort of legitimate source please share, but your anonymous forum post from another website is not legit. Your theory is not legit, because it does not work with the realities of game development.

The only one assuming anything here is you, and you are assuming that people will buy your fabricated, nonsensical, totally unbelievable conspiracy theory. The Sims 4 started out as an online game, there is code remaining from the online game in the offline game we have today. Enough is enough, instead of using your energy creating stories to deny that fact, how about you suck it up and get over it? Trying to make people think it never happened doesn't make Sims 4 a better game.

Also, it's interesting how you've said all this, tell ME to fact check, and then most of this turned out to be wrong :joy:

You obviously thought I had made this up or something, and that you were confident that what has been said on here about Olympus was true.
So again, I'll ask you to stop quoting me, accusing me of fabricating information, and then talk to me with unsourced information, that is easily proven wrong from the source itself.

Kind Regards.

I think there is a lot of time left for Sims4.

We haven't had the top cash cows yet ... pets/seasons. So I think Sims4 will be pushed into 2021.

"jackjack_k;c-15715714" wrote:
@drake_mccarty @Ciarassims;

Q: So up until last year the game was multiplayer online? Is it even possible to change the mechanics of the game without breaking it?
A: From what I read in the announcement, they decided to go with a new game engine for the offline version.

Olympus wasn't 2D as such, but Patrick Kelly said it wasn't a 3D rendered engine.

It's all in this page:
goo.gl/yPwT4H

Patrick Kelly literally states The Sims 4 has a new game engine, not Olympus' engine.

So please Drake, if we can stop with all the dramatics every time you question my posts, only for me to bring the sources through, that would be lovely.

Maybe we interpret the provided link differently. According to my understanding, the link is actually quite consistent throughout that Sims 4 is based on Olympus with the online part stripped away. According to the context, the engine that the link talks about should be referring to the graphics engine. That is, how the game is played looks like Olympus minus the online part, but how the game looks is based on a new 3D graphics engine.

"Gruffman;c-15716366" wrote:
I think there is a lot of time left for Sims4.

We haven't had the top cash cows yet ... pets/seasons. So I think Sims4 will be pushed into 2021.

I am not sure that Pets and Seasons were more cash cows than other EPs. It doesn't seem to have been the case (even if you liked them mostly) because if they were then I don't believe at all that EA would have postponed them that long or until more simmers had lost interest in the game. They would much more likely have been the very first EPs to be released. So when this didn't happen then I am actually not sure if they will be released for TS4 at all.

Speculation is sure flying in this thread. :D

@jackjack_k for the record TS4 Olympus was dropped in 2013, not 2012 right after Sim City was released per Frank Gibeau after the backlash of SC, he held an interview to say TS4 would be an offline game it had originally been an online game AKA project Olympus.