I like your ideas on a Granite Falls refresh, I might add log rolling to your list.
But the biggest thing I would like to see for Outdoir retreat is: 1. Being able to visit Granite falls without having to vacation there. You can do visits to nation parks without having to spend the night in real life, and it would make granite falls more versatile.
2. They need to add swimming areas to Outdoor retreat. Basic swimming should have come in the base game.","board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:the-sims-4-general-discussion-en"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:2500677"},"author":{"__typename":"User","login":"SheriSim"},"postTime":"2023-10-15T07:20:57.000-07:00","kudosSumWeight":1}},{"__typename":"MessageEdge","cursor":"MjUuMnwyLjF8b3w1fDE0OjAsMzk6MXwy","node":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","uid":2500679,"body":"Bugs spawning outside of Granite Falls. It'd make worlds feel more alive and you could work on Herbalism without having to go on a vacation.
Speaking of Herbalism, it could go for an overhaul. Most potions are tied to moodlets or needs; it's much easier to take care of them on their own, than to forage/grow ingredients and make a potion. We have some potions that are only helpful if you're foraging specifically in Granite Falls, while working on Herbalism.
For Hebalism, I'd like to see more recipes that help in other areas of the game. Initiative Potion that dramatically boosts your work performance next time you go in to work. An anti-wrinkle cream that makes your sims a few days younger and temporarily removes wrinkles. A wrinkle cream to temporarily put wrinkles on sims, including children. Prank your friends with a potion that makes them experience bladder failure.
Swimming needs to return. Not all worlds have swimming spots, especially older worlds. This will help Granite Falls stand out, in a way that fits the pack theme.
And I know I write in thousands of unending paragraphs, buuuuuuuuut I also want animals in Granite Falls. Let's let our sims interact with raccoons, see ACTUAL bears, get sprayed by skunks, and pet deer. This would go a long way towards making the world feel more alive. Some of these could even spawn in other worlds, which would add immersion and some unique, unplanned events. Like imagine your sims go on a date in Newcrest, and they see a skunk at the corner of a lot. They could choose to avoid it, or risk getting sprayed and ruining their date.","board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:the-sims-4-general-discussion-en"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:2500677"},"author":{"__typename":"User","login":"Karamazov123"},"postTime":"2023-10-15T09:16:14.000-07:00","kudosSumWeight":1}},{"__typename":"MessageEdge","cursor":"MjUuMnwyLjF8b3w1fDE0OjAsMzk6MXwz","node":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","uid":2500680,"body":"Hammocks both single and double. Kiacking River with Waterfall opened for swimming Ground Picnic Basket Bungee jumping Ax throwing Log rolling Boats added that more then one sim can use.
Also they should add a pool and a hottub to a lot and make it a pool lot.","board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:the-sims-4-general-discussion-en"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:2500677"},"author":{"__typename":"User","login":"catloverplayer"},"postTime":"2023-10-15T09:17:52.000-07:00","kudosSumWeight":1}},{"__typename":"MessageEdge","cursor":"MjUuMnwyLjF8b3w1fDE0OjAsMzk6MXw0","node":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","uid":2500681,"body":"
\"Gordy;c-18317865\" wrote: Bugs spawning outside of Granite Falls. It's make worlds feel more alive, and you could work on Herbalism without having to go on a vacation.
Speaking of Herbalism, it could go for an overhaul. Most potions are tied to moodlets or needs; it's much easier to take care of them on their own, than to forage/grow ingredients and make a potion. We have some potions that are only helpful if you're foraging specifically in Granite Falls, while working on Herbalism.
For Hebalism, I'd like to see more recipes that help in other areas of the game. Initiative Potion that dramatically boosts your work performance next time you go in to work. An anti-wrinkle cream that makes your sims a few days younger and temporarily removes wrinkles. A wrinkle cream to temporarily put wrinkles on sims, including children. Prank your friends with a potion that makes them experience bladder failure.
Swimming needs to return. Not all worlds have swimming spots, especially older worlds. This will help Granite Falls stand out, in a way that fits the pack theme.
And I know I write in thousands of unending paragraphs, buuuuuuuuut I also want animals in Granite Falls. Let's let our sims interact with raccoons, see ACTUAL bears, get sprayed by skunks, and pet deer. This would go a long way towards making the world feel more alive. Some of these could even spawn in other worlds, which would add immersion and some unique, unplanned events. Like imagine your sims go on a date in Newcrest, and they see a skunk at the corner of a lot. They could choose to avoid it, or risk getting sprayed and ruining their date.
Your animal and bug ideas are great. I now need to test what else foxes lot trait can do in granite falls.","board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:the-sims-4-general-discussion-en"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:2500677"},"author":{"__typename":"User","login":"kathmhughes"},"postTime":"2023-10-15T10:58:48.000-07:00","kudosSumWeight":1}},{"__typename":"MessageEdge","cursor":"MjUuMnwyLjF8b3w1fDE0OjAsMzk6MXw1","node":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","uid":2500682,"body":"Maybe they could add more children rides and games like see saws that adults can also use,hopscotch,trampolines etc. Campgrounds do occasionly have stuff for 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I never go there just because it's pretty boring and I hate having to take a vacation there. Just let us go there like Mount Komorebi. Honestly the older games need a refresh bad. Take a break from that $$ they're grabbing with the kits, etc and PLEASE give these older games a refresh. I was in cas and looking at the older clothing. 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I never go there just because it's pretty boring and I hate having to take a vacation there. Just let us go there like Mount Komorebi. Honestly the older games need a refresh bad. Take a break from that $$ they're grabbing with the kits, etc and PLEASE give these older games a refresh. I was in cas and looking at the older clothing. It's bad lol. 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I think they should add in features like group hiking and rock climbing if you own other packs that offer those features newer expansion should expand older packs.","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":1,"postTime":"2023-10-16T14:18:15.000-07:00","lastPublishTime":"2023-10-16T14:18:15.000-07:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":1},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"category:the-sims-4-en/category:the-sims-en/category:ea-forums-en/community:tghpe58374board:the-sims-4-general-discussion-en/message:2500677/message:2500689","repliesCount":0,"customFields":[],"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","edges":[],"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"readOnly":false,"editFrozen":false,"body@stringLength":"277","rawBody":"The 2 things I want whenever I go to the Outdoor Retreat world is open swimmable water and a summer camp feature. I think they should add in features like group hiking and rock climbing if you own other packs that offer those features newer expansion should expand older packs.","images":{"__typename":"AssociatedImageConnection","edges":[],"totalCount":0,"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"timeToRead":1,"currentRevision":{"__ref":"Revision:revision:2500689_1"},"latestVersion":null,"messagePolicies":{"__typename":"MessagePolicies","canModerateSpamMessage":{"__typename":"PolicyResult","failureReason":{"__typename":"FailureReason","message":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","key":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","args":[]}}}},"User:user:169225":{"__typename":"User","id":"user:169225","uid":169225,"login":"SheriSim","biography":null,"registrationData":{"__typename":"RegistrationData","status":null,"registrationTime":"2014-10-01T22:12:16.000-07:00"},"deleted":false,"email":"","avatar":{"__typename":"UserAvatar","url":"https://eaavatarservice.akamaized.net/production/avatar/prod/47/837/416x416.JPEG"},"rank":{"__ref":"Rank:rank:13"},"entityType":"USER","eventPath":"community:tghpe58374/user:169225"},"ModerationData:moderation_data:2500690":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:2500690","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:2500690":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:169225"},"id":"message:2500690","revisionNum":1,"uid":2500690,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:the-sims-4-general-discussion-en"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:2500677"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:2500677"},"subject":"Re: What features do you want in an Outdoor Retreat Refresh?","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:2500690"},"body":"
\"SerraNolwen;c-18318013\" wrote: I like your ideas. :) I do think the lake should be made swimmable if at all possible, and I'd love a few extra activities (playground stuff, ziplines and/or rope bridges, cutting wood and more woodcutting projects).
I don't know how feasible it is, but being able to visit (or even live in) that world could be nice, now that we can simply make rental lots, and making the bugs (maybe just the more common ones and at a lower rate?) spawn in other worlds could help the pack feel less isolated.
Two very important things to me that would largely be building on currently existing features would be to make group walks possible in that world (maybe adding some kind of geo-caching element or using a fcompass and various other items) and adding more herbalism recipes, some of which could be tied to other pack features. I'd love to see things like homemade sunscreen, recipes that make it easier to befriend animals, special fertilizer for plants, homemade medicine to cure illnesses from Get to Work and so on. I do like the idea of the anti-aging cream too. I'd like herbalism to be more useful when away from the Outdoor Retreat world.
Love the idea of a zip line!","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":0,"postTime":"2023-10-16T16:35:21.000-07:00","lastPublishTime":"2023-10-16T16:35:21.000-07:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":1},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"category:the-sims-4-en/category:the-sims-en/category:ea-forums-en/community:tghpe58374board:the-sims-4-general-discussion-en/message:2500677/message:2500690","repliesCount":0,"customFields":[],"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","edges":[],"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"readOnly":false,"editFrozen":false,"body@stringLength":"1266","rawBody":"
\"SerraNolwen;c-18318013\" wrote: I like your ideas. :) I do think the lake should be made swimmable if at all possible, and I'd love a few extra activities (playground stuff, ziplines and/or rope bridges, cutting wood and more woodcutting projects).
I don't know how feasible it is, but being able to visit (or even live in) that world could be nice, now that we can simply make rental lots, and making the bugs (maybe just the more common ones and at a lower rate?) spawn in other worlds could help the pack feel less isolated.
Two very important things to me that would largely be building on currently existing features would be to make group walks possible in that world (maybe adding some kind of geo-caching element or using a fcompass and various other items) and adding more herbalism recipes, some of which could be tied to other pack features. I'd love to see things like homemade sunscreen, recipes that make it easier to befriend animals, special fertilizer for plants, homemade medicine to cure illnesses from Get to Work and so on. I do like the idea of the anti-aging cream too. I'd like herbalism to be more useful when away from the Outdoor Retreat world.
Love the idea of a zip line! 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Something with a very similar aesthetic but that includes swimmable water, biking and hiking trails. I understand that they can't update the current world to make the water swimmable but I can't understand why the pack couldn't just come with a second world. Adding additional things like hammocks, paddle boats, John boats, corn hole, etc would also be nice. Maybe some things that are part of the modern campground experience like pool elements, jumping pillows, fast casual food stands. 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