Sul sul, With the release of any game update inevitably come the mods and custom content broken by said patch. We understand how important some of these are to your individual playstyles, and to help reduce game downtime after a patch these are tracked in a thread by the community; for a list of updated mods you can check @luthienrising's posts below. Please note, this thread assumes that you are fully patched to the latest available game update for The Sims 4.

IntroductionIf you’ve come to this thread, it’s probably for one of two reason: [1] you use game mods or custom content (CC) and something went wrong in Sims after the game updated or [2] you use game mods or custom (CC) and you heard that you should do something about game update time.Mods (game mods and CC) aren’t created by Maxis — they’re created by Simmers, who tie into The Sims 4 game code. When the game is updated, the code that gets updated is going to be the code that some mod out there “talks” to, which means that mod can “break”. A mod that uses code that almost never changes will almost never “break”. A mod that uses code that gets changed a lot will need updating a lot. This is nobody’s fault: it’s just how mods and games work together.So how does this affect you as a player who uses mods? An outdated mod (one that’s fallen behind the code it relies on) can cause you problems. It might only result in last exception (LE) error files and not seem to do anything in your game. It might make parts of the game inaccessible or really weird looking. It might make a “save” permanently unplayable, especially if you’ve saved when you exit. It might stop the game or your save or a household opening at all.So here you are! This thread is here for support in handling your game and mods after the most recent game update, to help you solve mod problems that come up (and give you extra guidance on what some commons mod-related problems are right now), and as one way for players and modders to pass on news about mods.IndexTips and Tricks for Mod Users at Update Time — including how to find what “broke”Current Mod-Related IssuesOther AHQ ResourcesBroken/Updated Mods and CC, September 26, 2023 Update — now here on AHQ!How to Use Mods/CCThe Sims 4 Bugs — for when it turns out your problem wasn’t because of a modCommon Game Fixing Mods - Hero ApprovedTroubleshooting Your Game — beyond mod-hunting

Current Mod-Related IssuesNew Issues This PatchSymptom: Cooking UI is empty; Sims can't prepare mealsKnown Causes: Color Sliders (thepancake1 and MizoreYukii), 15 Clubs Per Sim (King Zace); TOOL Mod is also affecting UINote: Updates are available.Symptom: Sims can't put food in oven or refuse to cook; a last exception file might be producedKnown Causes: This is NOT mod related. It's caused by the DHD Standard Gas Oven from Blazin' Ladles. Replace the oven.Note: Don't try to place the oven in Build/Buy; it can become much fussier to delete. A bugfix is available from thunder1183.Symptom: Simple Living and grocery shopping don't work. Ingredient requirements don't work. New categories for cooking aren't available. Cooking remains possible, though.Known Causes: various cooking mods, including Srsly's SCCO and SCCORNote: Some cooking mods require that you make changes in game before removing the mod to prevent more serious errors. For SCCO, this means deleting all food and plates. Other mods may have similar requirements.Older IssuesThe issues listed here are mostly for mods that don't yet have updates. Keeping mods updated will help prevent many issues. Consider catching up on mod news if you've been away from the game for a while. Some other, less common symptoms are listed with mods known to cause them in the current Outdated and Updated Mods thread.Symptom: Aliens (and possibly other Sims) are missing their headsKnown Causes: various outdated CAS default mods, especially eyelash modsNote: Check default CAS mods for updates and alternativesSymptom: Horses don’t appear in the relationship panelKnown Cause: No More Relationship Culling by NeiaNote: Other mods are available to replace this oneSymptom: Horse interactions not availableKnown Causes: various outdated mods, including PlantSim Inheritance v1-A, Be a Little SeriousSymptom: Sims can't ride horsesKnown Causes: mods for belly size, mods for pregnancy walkSymptom: Sims Infants gameplay failsKnown Causes: Fixed Nyx's Enhanced Aliens, Children can live alone after all elders diedNote: There are likely other outdated mods with this symptomSymptom: Lot fails to load for Live mode gameplayKnown Causes: noextramoneyonpromotion (Bienchen); outdated versions of Meaningful Stories, SNB-BillsNote: This can be caused by game bugs and by outdated mods, especially complex script mods (mods that include a .ts4script file). The error message is important. Test without mods before posting a thread; include a screenshot of the error message. Note also that in some cases, that household will have become corrupted and you'll need to go back to an earlier version of the save.Symptom: Game stuck in loadingNote: No known single cause; try a 50-50Symptom: Sim profile (in Live mode) brokenKnown Cause: AD(H)D trait by FiendModsNote:When a custom trait is removed, Sims will lose the trait and not be automatically given a new one.Symptom: Male Sims are invisibleKnown Cause: Various slidersNote: These mods can be removed without your Sims' shape changing. Many have replacements available.Symptom: Sims arms and legs stretch or disappear, and other Sim glitching in Live modeKnown Cause: outdated height slidersSymptom: Food stall and Festival vendors only sell produceKnown Causes: Custom Food stalls, playable NPC jobsNote: Possible permanent corruption if you load a save with broken food stalls. Make sure to update any food stalls before playing or remove them before updating.Symptom: No beds can be placed in Build/Buy modeKnown Cause: outdated CC bedsNote: Find replacements or batch-fix in Sims 4 Studio. If Maxis adds a new function to beds again, working CC will not be available until Sims 4 Studio is reupdated to include that function in a new batch fix.Symptoms: Sims won't eat; Sims reset when doing homeworkKnown Cause: outdated CC, including phone modsCommon Issues at Game UpdatesSome mods are especially sensitive to game updates. Most of these mods that you can temporarily play without with no harm done to your save. They are also generally quickly updated, so watch for those updates!Symptom: Blank icons and UI glitching in the CAS, Build/Buy, or Live mode UI; Main Menu and the Gallery showing "wwwwwwwwww" instead of text; Build/Buy GUI missingKnown Causes: Color Sliders (thepancake1 and MizoreYukii), 15 Clubs Per Sim (King Zace), UI Cheats Extension (weerbesu), Better BuildBuy (TwistedMexi), More Columns in CAS (weerbesu), CC wrench icon mods, and other mods that change the UINote: Playing without 15 Clubs Per Sim may result in Sims losing club memberships. UI Cheats Extension generally isn't the cause of CAS glitching.Symptom: All color options are broken in CAS. Color does not change.Known Cause: More Columns in CAS (weerbesu)Symptom: The Gallery won't loadKnown Causes: Color Sliders, 15 Clubs Per SimSymptom: World map has overlying textKnown Causes: UI Cheats Extension, Better BuildBuy, and other mods that change the UISymptom: When trying to load a new world, only a white screen is shownKnown Cause: T.O.O.L Mod (TwistedMexi)Symptom: X on an accessory is missing in CASKnown Cause: More Columns in CASSymptom: The mouse cursor has weird iconsKnown Causes: various CAS mods

Tips and Tricks for Mod Users at Update TimeBefore Sims UpdatesBecause some outdated (“broken”) mods can actually corrupt your save file, before you let the EA App update your game, back up your Saves folder. If you aren’t sure when an update might come out, you might want to get in the habit of doing this regularly.“Backing up” a folder or file means making a copy of it in a different place. You’ll find your save files in Documents > Electronic Arts > The Sims 4 > Saves. You can copy that whole folder to somewhere else — your desktop, say, or a different folder you make yourself, like Documents > Sims Backups. Now you’ll have a pre-patch copy to fall back on in case you run into serious problems.It can be very tempting to just set up a syncing app, like OneDrive, to sync your Documents folder online as a way to back up your saves. Don’t do this. The Sims 4 and synching programs hate each other. You’ll run into whole new problems, including things like the app putting mods you delete back.It can also be very tempting to rely on a mod manager to handle your mods folder for you. Mod managers from sources that aren’t working with Maxis can also cause you more problems than they fix by doing things like renaming files (so that you end up with duplicates eventually) or putting back files you deleted. The best way to manage your mods is generally to take the responsibility for it.One way of taking that responsibility is to have an organized Mods folder. If you don’t have a lot of mods and have Curseforge doing your installations, you can ignore this: you don’t want to be making subfolders and moving things into them. But if you download mods manually or have a lot of mods (in which case, download them manually!), having subfolders that organize by, say, the name of the creator can help you when you’re doing a 50-50 (more below) or hunting for a mod that needs to be deleted or replaced.After Sims UpdatesMany patches change enough in the game to trigger it to turn off the setting that lets the game “see” your Mods folder. If you save like that, everything that those mods effect — your Sims’ hair, their kitchen cupboards, their careers and aspirations, their height, etc. — will be stripped from that save and need to be put back in by you. You don’t want that to happen. You also don’t want to have that save corrupted unexpectedly.So, after the game update,DON’T delete your Saves backup. You might still need it.Check to see if mods you use have been reported “broken” (outdated) or obsolete (for example, a bugfix that’s no longer needed) so you can remove those or wait for them to be updated.Check to see if mods you use have been updated. Some modders will update very quickly. Others need more time for various reasons, all of which are absolutely okay — the update might be complex, they might prioritize more popular mods than what you use, they might be very busy with other responsibilities; they might be unwell. Please give them space. Too many modders have left modding because they were tired of being asked “Are we there yet?” by impatient players.If you really want to play now but mods you use aren’t updated yet, consider making a new save that doesn’t rely on the outdated mods. (Select “New” on the home page. If you have multiple “saves” after this, you can use “Load” to pick out the one you want to play next.)If you do play your “old” save that relies on mods, don’t save it if you haven’t re-enabled mods. To re-enable mods, head to your Settings, under Other. But keep that backup of your Saves folder!When Problems HappenIf you use mods, someday problems will happen, especially if you use a lot of them. Of course, not all problems after game updates are caused by outdated mods! So this section includes a test for that.Check to see if mods you use are known to be outdated or have been updated. This applied to all mods — both game mods and custom content. Yes, your Sim’s eyelashes can break the whole game! Delete and replace updated mods, after checking for new installation instructions. Delete obsolete mods. Delete outdated mods that haven’t been updated. Often this is enough to solve your problem. If not, keep going!Check if the symptom you have is commonly mod-related for this patch or a recent patch. You'll find some info about this in the next post.Test whether the problem was caused by Mods. This is called testing “vanilla”. To do this, exit the game (especially if you forgot to back up your Saves folder, don’t save first!). Go to Documents > Electronic Arts > The Sims 4. Drag your Mods folder to your desktop, or cut (NOT copy) and paste it. Now delete the file called localthumbcache. Restart Sims 4 and check to see if the problem is still there. If it’s not, it was probably caused by outdated mods. Either way, exit without saving. (Extra tip: Sometimes deleting a mod and localthumbcache isn’t enough to make a problem go away in a save. You can test a new save as well.)So, now you seem to have, somewhere in that Mods folder, an outdated mod that isn’t on the “Broken/Updated” list. Isolate the outdated mod. One way to do that is to do a “50-50” of your mods folder.How to “50-50” Your Mods FoldersTo figure out which game mod or piece of custom content is causing problems, you can test mods in increasingly small batches, systematically.Move your Mods folder to your desktop, and delete the localthumbcache file from Electronic Arts > The Sims 4. Make a new, empty folder there called Mods.Make a test copy of your original folder on your desktop. You'll use the test copy for the 50-50 so that you don't lose the organization of your original folder.Divide your folder up into batches. You don't have to start with two huge batches. You can start with more medium-sized batches, depending on what's comfortable for you. Name each batch something like "Untested 1" so you can keep track.Some mods depend on other mods to work. That might be a CC mesh or a mods like XML Injector. Make sure those dependencies are with the mods they depend on in eac batch. Otherwise, a mod might seem to not work, but it'll be not working because it's missing its dependency.Start with one batch. Copy it into Mods. Try it out. Is it all okay? Delete it from Mods, delete localthumbcache, and rename the desktop batch something like "All Clear 1".If a batch fails, divide it up. Somewhere in that failed batch is a problem. Make it into smaller batches and test those separately. Remember to keep track of what's already tested and what isn't, and remember to keep deleting localthumbcache.Retest the full folder. Delete the problem file from the original Mods folder, move that into place, and test it. With some luck, you've now found your problem.A 50-50 won't always solve a problem. It will, for example, miss issues that aren't a result of a game patch, like duplicate files, mod conflicts, missing dependencies, having mods you don't have required packs for, and wrong mod installation.An additional note about cooking mods: Some of these have very particular instructions for removing them. Consider removing your Saves and doing any 50-50 testing on a new save or new household if you weren't able to follow those instructions before mod testing.Still Stuck? This thread is here to help! You can also start a new thread in this forum. But please be descriptive: To help you, we need to know what symptoms you have in your game and we need to know what steps you’ve taken to try to isolate the problem.

The easiest way to tell if the problem is caused by a mod is to disable your mods in the game and make a new save (so your modded save doesn't lose all your cc). If the problem persists, then it's a bug, if it doesn't, then it's due to one (or more) of your mods.If it's a mod issue, the best way to test which one(s) is causing the problem is the 50/50 method where you move your mod folder out of the game completely, then add 50% off the mods into the game. Check to see if the problem occurs. If it doesn't, then you know those mods are safe. You'll then take them out and take 50% of the 2nd 50% and do the same.When the problem occurs, then you'll know it's one of those mods. Split that batch in half, rinse and repeat, until you've found the culprit.It's a tedious process, but it's really the only way that you can do it.I do recommend using Twisted Mexi's Better Exceptions mod which will let you know if any exceptions occur and which mods may be causing them. It's really helpful!

Hi @whyxgui ! You probably have an outdated copy of TOOL Mod, which was updated after yesterday's patch. You can also check the lists here for other outdated and updated mods: https://answers.ea.com/t5/Game-and-Mod-CC-Issues/Broken-Obsolete-and-Updated-Sims-4-Mods-1-101-Sept-26-2023-Game/m-p/12938280#M48214

[closed] Mods and CC Known Bugs and Issues: September 26th, 2023 Game Update

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luthienrising
Hero+
2 years ago
Hi @rx01q . You've got one or more outdated mods that affect game UI. Start with the lists in Broken/Updated Mods , When you update a mod, delete the old version (some creators rename mods); when you delete or update a mod, delete the file called localthumbcache.
If you still have the problem after that, you'll need to do a 50-50 to identify the culprit, but it's unlikely to be CAS or Build-Buy objects.
rx01q
2 years ago
where do i find the broken mods file/area ?
luthienrising
Hero+
2 years ago
Hi @MickDagon . Something that only glitches that area isn't familiar to me, but start with Broken/Updated Mods . If that doesn't cover you, you might need to do a 50-50 to isolate the culprit, starting with any gameplay mods.
luthienrising
Hero+
2 years ago
@rx01q It's a thread in this same part of AHQ (https://answers.ea.com/t5/Game-and-Mod-CC-Issues/bd-p/the-sims-4-game-issues-mods-en). Or click the link in the post just above.
simssimssimsplay
Rising Scout
2 years ago
My sim won't change out of the towel and a paid of CC shoes after taking a shower. No matter what I do, she won't change. Her portrait disappears and I cannot save the game. It just goes "Saving" and never saves. I do not know what it is.
luthienrising
Hero+
2 years ago
Hi @simssimssimsplay. That's not a symptom I recognize, and it doesn't sound like a new one. I'd suggest doing a 50-50 of your mods, but first test anything you added recently.
LuvMySimz
Seasoned Ace
2 years ago
Any idea if MTS_Scumbumbo_UnlistedPhoneNumbers will ever get an update again? The latest version taken over by Basemental is long broken! It was last updated in March 1921.
Getting Error message scanned by TwistedMexi's Better Exception Mod since the latest HR patch.
Invalid Tuning in:
MTS_Scumbumbo_UnlistedPhoneNumbers
Scumbumbo_friendship_ExchangedNumbers
Not a Discord user which is why I ask here.
luthienrising
Hero+
2 years ago
Hi @LuvMySimz. Is the mod also not doing what it ought to? We haven't had a report in the Scumbumbo server and the only report we've seen elsewhere was from someone who had a lot of known-outdated mods. (I help maintain status info for the Scumbumbo team.) If you're on Discord, please bring us your report! It especially helps if you have a report with the mod tested only with BE and some idea of what was happening in-game and whether the mod failed to work as expected.
LuvMySimz
Seasoned Ace
2 years ago
As I have said, I'm not a Discort user because of several account hack attacks and bad experiences with the site in the past.
I Don't have the LE anymore because I deleted it with the mod. As I have told in the S4 forum long time before, there is something wrong with the mod and I tested it alone as always when I get LE's from mods that I love to keep. But this time, since the horse ranch patch and installed HR pack, I recently got this LE as mentioned above, and now sadly deleted it for good.
Please also don't forget that not everybody has the same packs installed and therefore has different issues. I don't have most of the Kits, no Eco Lifestyle, no Journey to Batuu, no Paranormal, no Werewolf, no Moshino, no Kids Room, no High School Years, no Growing Together and no Home Chef Hustle Stuff. It may still works fine for some other players, and for some are not like in my case. And most of the players may not even use it to know. I don't use lots of mods and nothing that dramaticly change my game like some have. And I always make sure that all my few mods are up-to-date because I'm very picky with my game. And if TwistedMexi's BE tells me that this mod is to 100% the culprit and has issues with my game, then I believe him.
THe main issue with the mod is that some exchanged numbers between Sims doesn't work anymore.
luthienrising
Hero+
2 years ago
Hi @LuvMySimz If you could give me standard testing info here, then, that would be helpful. I can't report something broken without only an LE report that happened while other mods were installed and without seeing the report. What packs you have and don't have isn't an issue here.
To test the mod, remove all other mods (to rule out that the problem is a mod conflict), and delete localthumbcache. When you get that LE, upload it for me. Instructions on how to upload a file are at https://answers.ea.com/t5/Bug-Reports/INFORMATION-How-does-this-forum-work/m-p/3445427#M181737 under "Additional Info". If you're not getting a game-produced LE file, only one from BE, you can copy-paste info from that.
If you could also please give me more info about the exhanged numbers not working, that would be helpful. Is it any *new* exchanges, and those people then don't call you when you expect them to? Are you getting calls from people you haven't exchanged numbers with? I'll need to let Base know how the mod isn't working as well.
Sorry to be a pain about this, but right now, you're the one source we've got for this, and Base will need enough info to work with.
EDIT: I'll also ask around support servers to see if this is turning up there.

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