I might agree with all that, but I think EA and Maxis won't worry about if they get the TS4 player, either. Just like they didn't care (once TS4 got rolling) if they retained TS2 or TS3 players. They were always chasing the new player who had never tried this series so I don't think they are going to worry too much about the TS4 player, either. I think they believe there is always a new player (who will gush over all the changes that older players wouldn't) under a rock somewhere to buy their new game. I think TS4 players are going to find out pretty soon EA/Maxis won't hear their feedback either, and or ignore for years just like they did to TS2 and TS3 players. TS5 players will eventually be those who never played and older players ignored just like it was in TS4.