I think people are confuse on what mmo vs multiplayer is?

I assume people realize this difference but still do not want any multiplayer at all.

See this from another upcoming game in the simulation genre, Cities: Skylines 2

According to Colossal Order's recent Twitter post, Cities: Skylines 2 won't have multiplayer support of any sort upon launch. One of the studio's fans asked whether there was any scope for Colossal Order to work on multiplayer for the new title, but the devs have responded by saying that developing such a feature would take an "incredible" amount of time and resources and, as a result, take away from the core of the game, which is currently the absolute priority. Yet, it may be worth pointing out that the response doesn't necessarily mean that there won't be multiplayer functionality added later on, as the studio may wish to experiment with something of the type later on.

Any multiplayer functionality eats up the budget of time and money. We know Rene is spending money on hiring people exclusively to work on multiplayer (see: job postings). This is frustrating for people.

"simmerorigin;c-18271204" wrote:
I assume people realize this difference but still do not want any multiplayer at all.

See this from another upcoming game in the simulation genre, Cities: Skylines 2

According to Colossal Order's recent Twitter post, Cities: Skylines 2 won't have multiplayer support of any sort upon launch. One of the studio's fans asked whether there was any scope for Colossal Order to work on multiplayer for the new title, but the devs have responded by saying that developing such a feature would take an "incredible" amount of time and resources and, as a result, take away from the core of the game, which is currently the absolute priority. Yet, it may be worth pointing out that the response doesn't necessarily mean that there won't be multiplayer functionality added later on, as the studio may wish to experiment with something of the type later on.

Any multiplayer functionality eats up the budget of time and money. We know Rene is spending money on hiring people exclusively to work on multiplayer (see: job postings). This is frustrating for people.

It's not frustrating to me.Because the job posting to me most tasks seems to be working on the game in general and not just multiplayer.Espscislly with the design .

Well I'm concerned about how much effort is being put into multiplayer/collaborative tools, given the track record of Project Olympus and the signals in EA earnings calls

"simmerorigin;c-18271249" wrote:
Well I'm concerned about how much effort is being put into multiplayer/collaborative tools, given the track record of Project Olympus and the signals in EA earnings calls

I am also VERY concerned about this. Technically, they could have a single lot that is MMO to chat with players around the world that varies, a mall, or a theatre, or a scavenger hunt, or a skating rink, for instance, but not customizable (no customization, no motherlode, and possibly a ticket or token booth). If they did this, I would want this not to be open until at least 2-4 expansion packs came out, and it could be open to visit or closed to visit depending if an event was going on.

If they MUST raise advertising dollars, they should put the ads somewhere in the game that is not intrusive: a lot of us players watch TV and movies with our Sims (just to see what they are watching), or pay attention to the computer games they are playing. Or, we would expect ads on an in game billboard. I don't mind brand swag either for my Sims. As it is, the kits are the microtransactions of The Sims 4. The Sims 3 had the Sims 3 store (still does) as its microtransactions, as did Sims 2 near the end of its development before they took down its website. I got the Sims 2 castle walls and floors, but wish I had the chance to get that toddler stroller from the Sims 2 store.

But I think most players who want multiplayer want private multiplayer where they can specifically invite people into their game - like the way the Sims 3 let you invite friends into your game to perform on stage if you unlocked this by buying the pack that included this feature and placed a performance stage lot.

"SimsILikeSims;c-18271342" wrote:

"simmerorigin;c-18271249" wrote:
Well I'm concerned about how much effort is being put into multiplayer/collaborative tools, given the track record of Project Olympus and the signals in EA earnings calls

I am also VERY concerned about this. Technically, they could have a single lot that is MMO to chat with players around the world that varies, a mall, or a theatre, or a scavenger hunt, or a skating rink, for instance, but not customizable (no customization, no motherlode, and possibly a ticket or token booth). If they did this, I would want this not to be open until at least 2-4 expansion packs came out, and it could be open to visit or closed to visit depending if an event was going on.

If they MUST raise advertising dollars, they should put the ads somewhere in the game that is not intrusive: a lot of us players watch TV and movies with our Sims (just to see what they are watching), or pay attention to the computer games they are playing. Or, we would expect ads on an in game billboard. I don't mind brand swag either for my Sims. As it is, the kits are the microtransactions of The Sims 4. The Sims 3 had the Sims 3 store (still does) as its microtransactions, as did Sims 2 near the end of its development before they took down its website. I got the Sims 2 castle walls and floors, but wish I had the chance to get that toddler stroller from the Sims 2 store.

But I think most players who want multiplayer want private multiplayer where they can specifically invite people into their game - like the way the Sims 3 let you invite friends into your game to perform on stage if you unlocked this by buying the pack that included this feature and placed a performance stage lot.

That's what were going to get a private multiplayer.They confirm multiplayer is not an mmo mode.

"Horrorgirl6;c-18271213" wrote:

"simmerorigin;c-18271204" wrote:
I assume people realize this difference but still do not want any multiplayer at all.

See this from another upcoming game in the simulation genre, Cities: Skylines 2

According to Colossal Order's recent Twitter post, Cities: Skylines 2 won't have multiplayer support of any sort upon launch. One of the studio's fans asked whether there was any scope for Colossal Order to work on multiplayer for the new title, but the devs have responded by saying that developing such a feature would take an "incredible" amount of time and resources and, as a result, take away from the core of the game, which is currently the absolute priority. Yet, it may be worth pointing out that the response doesn't necessarily mean that there won't be multiplayer functionality added later on, as the studio may wish to experiment with something of the type later on.

Any multiplayer functionality eats up the budget of time and money. We know Rene is spending money on hiring people exclusively to work on multiplayer (see: job postings). This is frustrating for people.

It's not frustrating to me.Because the job posting to me most tasks seems to be working on the game in general and not just multiplayer.Espscislly with the design .

When the job title is called "Multiplayer Gameplayer Engineer" one should assume that this is dedicated fully to multiplayer features. I read the job description too. It is fairly generic in terms of the tasks being described. So even if every job responsibility does not say "multiplayer" explicitly, I would understand the responsibilities and game design to be in the context of creating the multiplayer elements. https://ea.gr8people.com/jobs/178382/multiplayer-gameplay-software-engineer-the-sims?locale=en

"Horrorgirl6;d-1008951" wrote:
I felt like looking at comments .People are misunderstanding the difference from a mmo and standard multiplayer.

An mmo is an online game.Play in public or sometimes.Like Roblox, Second Life, or Fortnight.Sometime they do have a private server usually an online one that you pay extra.This is not what Ea is doing.

Ea team confirm on the behind the sims.That multiplayer is not mmo.That this will just be you friends in your game.

This sounds like it being more of a traditional multiplayer mode.A traditional multiplayer is usually when you invite someone to play the same game as you.This achieve in many ways fightening games.You usually choose a playable character.The other you starting a new game.Like in srardew valley where they add additional code to the save let others to come in. With you adding the friend and you both being online.

Basically we're not getting a public server.Were getting an extra mode.Where you can invite your friends over in your own private game.

Please take this advice with a grain of salt. I understand that you love the Sims, and many of us do too. Admittedly I'm not as in love with EA as I have been, but the game, at its core, is something that I love. That being said, forums like this is where we go to voice concerns when we are worried about something. You do not need to correct every one of us. Take a deep breath, and relax.

That being said, my opinion is: I'm not excited for multiplayer. Haven't/won't use it. If its implemented wrongly it could ruin the game.

"Horrorgirl6;d-1008951" wrote:
I felt like looking at comments .People are misunderstanding the difference from a mmo and standard multiplayer.

An mmo is an online game.Play in public or sometimes.Like Roblox, Second Life, or Fortnight.Sometime they do have a private server usually an online one that you pay extra.This is not what Ea is doing.

Ea team confirm on the behind the sims.That multiplayer is not mmo.That this will just be you friends in your game.

This sounds like it being more of a traditional multiplayer mode.A traditional multiplayer is usually when you invite someone to play the same game as you.This achieve in many ways fightening games.You usually choose a playable character.The other you starting a new game.Like in srardew valley where they add additional code to the save let others to come in. With you adding the friend and you both being online.

Basically we're not getting a public server.Were getting an extra mode.Where you can invite your friends over in your own private game.

What you are describing is co-op. MMOs are Multiplayer games where the game is played on the company's server with hundreds or thousands at the same time. Did you play TS3's Simport? That's sort of 'inviting a friend to play' as the Sim arrived in your game and you couldn't save, quit and or not show up at their performance. It was optional but still 'online' and very limiting for the player who wanted to quit, save, and or not show up at the other player's performance.

Co-op has been a part of The Sims for years with console games, but I'm not sure many will play it (pc) other than a younger generation or those who have been asking for this in TS4. Simport was not fun. It crashed and burned.

We have no idea what TS5 will do, or how the online collaborations will work or if it's just a group of people building something and or working on custom content together and or actually in a server world or whatever. But the point has been made thousands of times, any money going to that sort of play absolutely divides attention, focus and money for the single player side of any game.

This is my opinion, (not reality but opinion).

There are four types of players in The Sims (formats) those who loved TS1 and TS2 who didn't even move over to TS3 or TS4. Those people are aging (as am I) and will not play any mmo or group thing.

There are the TS2 players who went to TS4 and love TS4 and will never stop playing TS4 and will never move over to TS5. They hated TS3 and will never give up TS4.

There are those who love TS3 and hated Simport and will never give up TS3 and will never even try TS5, they wouldn't even give TS4 a chance.

New players who love TS4 will never move over to TS5, either. They love it so much they want it to get new content for the next twenty years.

Then there is a new generation of players who know nothing about the forumla of The Sims who will try TS5. There is where Maxis is going. All the others have too much baggage to try to please. So, don't worry about what TS5 will be, because people are dug in within those four groups and very unlikely to try TS5 at all. But of course influencers will try and buy TS5 because they have to remain relevant.

This is opinion, also there are floaters who try all the games because we loved the Franchise, but eventually go back to the games we prefer. There is always the exception.

"Horrorgirl6;c-18271786" wrote:

"simmerorigin;c-18271728" wrote:

"Horrorgirl6;c-18271213" wrote:

"simmerorigin;c-18271204" wrote:
I assume people realize this difference but still do not want any multiplayer at all.

See this from another upcoming game in the simulation genre, Cities: Skylines 2

According to Colossal Order's recent Twitter post, Cities: Skylines 2 won't have multiplayer support of any sort upon launch. One of the studio's fans asked whether there was any scope for Colossal Order to work on multiplayer for the new title, but the devs have responded by saying that developing such a feature would take an "incredible" amount of time and resources and, as a result, take away from the core of the game, which is currently the absolute priority. Yet, it may be worth pointing out that the response doesn't necessarily mean that there won't be multiplayer functionality added later on, as the studio may wish to experiment with something of the type later on.

Any multiplayer functionality eats up the budget of time and money. We know Rene is spending money on hiring people exclusively to work on multiplayer (see: job postings). This is frustrating for people.

It's not frustrating to me.Because the job posting to me most tasks seems to be working on the game in general and not just multiplayer.Espscislly with the design .

When the job title is called "Multiplayer Gameplayer Engineer" one should assume that this is dedicated fully to multiplayer features. I read the job description too. It is fairly generic in terms of the tasks being described. So even if every job responsibility does not say "multiplayer" explicitly, I would understand the responsibilities and game design to be in the context of creating the a multiplayer elements. https://ea.gr8people.com/jobs/178382/multiplayer-gameplay-software-engineer-the-sims?locale=en

That's the thing I don't think is only for multiplayer.Its makes no sense to make assets for a multiplayer mode.Its problems working on the same things with making a code for multiplayer?

Here is the list of responsibilities from the job posting:

Work with designers, producers, artists, and other core and backend engineers to build a framework that brings designs to life.
The multiplayer engineer will work with the rest of the Sims Team. They will be focused on multiplayer features, but still needs to collaborate with other roles like designers and artists.

Build engaging social experiences that blend with simulation gameplay, working alongside your design and production partners to help achieve our vision of player experience..
Obviously multiplayer

Implement a data driven simulation system to author player facing behaviors in C++.
This is most interesting. This multiplayer engineer is working with other team members directly on the simulation of the game. It suggests multiplayer will be highly embedded in the core live mode, player-facing experience of the game. See previous responsibility above.

Build creative aspects of real life within a simulation game e.g. Relationships, the trials of daily life, distinct characters and personalities, and more as the game evolves and grows.
Generic responsibility that everyone involved in gameplay is working on

Author technical design documents detailing software requirements and communicate and build them with your stakeholders among design, other engineering departments, and production.
Anything an engineer would do.

Build unique content for a game that supports a large demographic of simulation player patterns.
Just explaining that what they are building in Sims 5 is trying to support popular play patterns rather than more niche and specific ones

"simmerorigin;c-18272233" wrote:

"Horrorgirl6;c-18271786" wrote:

"simmerorigin;c-18271728" wrote:

"Horrorgirl6;c-18271213" wrote:

"simmerorigin;c-18271204" wrote:
I assume people realize this difference but still do not want any multiplayer at all.

See this from another upcoming game in the simulation genre, Cities: Skylines 2

According to Colossal Order's recent Twitter post, Cities: Skylines 2 won't have multiplayer support of any sort upon launch. One of the studio's fans asked whether there was any scope for Colossal Order to work on multiplayer for the new title, but the devs have responded by saying that developing such a feature would take an "incredible" amount of time and resources and, as a result, take away from the core of the game, which is currently the absolute priority. Yet, it may be worth pointing out that the response doesn't necessarily mean that there won't be multiplayer functionality added later on, as the studio may wish to experiment with something of the type later on.

Any multiplayer functionality eats up the budget of time and money. We know Rene is spending money on hiring people exclusively to work on multiplayer (see: job postings). This is frustrating for people.

It's not frustrating to me.Because the job posting to me most tasks seems to be working on the game in general and not just multiplayer.Espscislly with the design .

When the job title is called "Multiplayer Gameplayer Engineer" one should assume that this is dedicated fully to multiplayer features. I read the job description too. It is fairly generic in terms of the tasks being described. So even if every job responsibility does not say "multiplayer" explicitly, I would understand the responsibilities and game design to be in the context of creating the a multiplayer elements. https://ea.gr8people.com/jobs/178382/multiplayer-gameplay-software-engineer-the-sims?locale=en

That's the thing I don't think is only for multiplayer.Its makes no sense to make assets for a multiplayer mode.Its problems working on the same things with making a code for multiplayer?

Here is the list of responsibilities from the job posting:

Work with designers, producers, artists, and other core and backend engineers to build a framework that brings designs to life.
The multiplayer engineer will work with the rest of the Sims Team. They will be focused on multiplayer features, but still needs to collaborate with other roles like designers and artists.

Build engaging social experiences that blend with simulation gameplay, working alongside your design and production partners to help achieve our vision of player experience..
Obviously multiplayer

Implement a data driven simulation system to author player facing behaviors in C++.
This is most interesting. This multiplayer engineer is working with other team members directly on the simulation of the game. It suggests multiplayer will be highly embedded in the core live mode, player-facing experience of the game. See previous responsibility above.

Build creative aspects of real life within a simulation game e.g. Relationships, the trials of daily life, distinct characters and personalities, and more as the game evolves and grows.
Generic responsibility that everyone involved in gameplay is working on

Author technical design documents detailing software requirements and communicate and build them with your stakeholders among design, other engineering departments, and production.
Anything an engineer would do.

Build unique content for a game that supports a large demographic of simulation player patterns.
Just explaining that what they are building in Sims 5 is trying to support popular play patterns rather than more niche and specific ones

Yep , this sounds fine with me.Since the multiplayer is not online server, but one that you need invite in game.It make sense it will be heavily part of the code.