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Cinebar's avatar
5 years ago

Smarter Sims, Have You Ever Seen One?

Not many of us can claim any of these Sims are very smart in any iteration. Yes, we wanted them to be able to take care of themselves a little better, but still yet, even in 2020 Sims do foolish things that makes no sense to a player.

I can say I saw one smart Sim in my games that I thought, wow, he is really smarter than my choices I had queued up.

Back in TS2 when the game was current, my Sim (actually premade Mr. Big by Maxis) was running a business and very, very busy. Everyone knows just how busy a shop can get once you are on a higher level of running that business, you will have a lot more customers. I had queued up for him to help out employees, and his energy was low but not any lower than hunger, fun, hygiene etc. I had queued for him to eat, fill fun (a fast boost by looking at a painting) and drink some coffee along with the other duties which in TS2 you could queue up eight things. This is the only time I saw the Sim rearrange my choices and put coffee first. Pretty smart. I watched as things got rearranged in what he thought he needed to do first. He did them all eventually but he drank the coffee first, which boosted hunger, boosted energy and he had enough enery to finish the other tasks. This was important by the way because Sims in TS2 die if three things get too low at once. Energy, hygiene and hunger. All those were very low but even levels with each other, so he drank the coffee. That's a smart Sim.

At no other time in the history of me playing all four games, have I seen something like that ever again. It's usually get off that pc, you need to go pee, or eat, and or take a shower, or do homework and or go to work and or call someone, and or go to bed. lol

Maxis may claim Sims get smarter with each iteration, but it's not smart to fix a meal then set it down and grab some left overs from the fridge. Nor for two Sims to start cooking when one is already fixing dinner, nor run out of the house to go speak to another Sim they don't know, when the house is full of family, nor keep painting when fun is full nor to keep watching TV when fun is full, nor to keep talking when social is full, nor to get up from the dinner table to go sit on a bed, and or take a plate to the upstairs bathroom, nor to set bowls out on the sidewalk, and or get into the wrong bed just because someone stayed over the night before, and suddenly your Sim doesn't remember which bed belongs to them even if guest is gone, nor to walk around a house and try to talk to a Sim from the outer wall, nor to take the longest route when there is a counter right there, etc. etc.

If you have a story that shows any of these Sims have been intutive enough to show they are smarter than a previous geneartion of Sims, then I would like to hear it. I only have the one example above in twenty years of watching Sims and hearing how smart the next generation is supposed to be, each and every time. lol See, I beg to differ, not needing to fill motives doesn't make a smarter Sim, just a watered down Sim.

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  • "pepperjax1230;c-17784636" wrote:
    Sorry but what is a smart sim again? Mine all seem to be dumb. :joy:


    I remember back in TS2 we complained the townies never fixed any hotdogs etc. when our hungry Sim was on a community lot and perhaps didn't have any money to pay the $8 for using a grill. They finally added that and townies will go ahead and grill sometimes or use the Uni fridge if our Sim is getting really hungry and fix a meal out of something. But it's a dice roll whether they will do that soon enough before our own Sim has to go ahead first and or if they don't keel over before someone gets around to it.

    TS4 Sims cook on the grills maybe too much. I'm not sure any of these games ever had any smart Sims, either. ETA: I think perhaps TS2 Sims are the smartest but I take it back when they are standing there screaming at me they need fun, well, go turn on the TV or the stereo or the computer or something. :s But TS4 Sims do fun things all day with it totally full..maybe they should learn a skill or something so it's a not so smart after all, either.
  • "Cinebar;c-17790294" wrote:
    "pepperjax1230;c-17784636" wrote:
    Sorry but what is a smart sim again? Mine all seem to be dumb. :joy:


    I remember back in TS2 we complained the townies never fixed any hotdogs etc. when our hungry Sim was on a community lot and perhaps didn't have any money to pay the $8 for using a grill. They finally added that and townies will go ahead and grill sometimes or use the Uni fridge if our Sim is getting really hungry and fix a meal out of something. But it's a dice roll whether they will do that soon enough before our own Sim has to go ahead first and or if they don't keel over before someone gets around to it.

    TS4 Sims cook on the grills maybe too much. I'm not sure any of these games ever had any smart Sims, either. ETA: I think perhaps TS2 Sims are the smartest but I take it back when they are standing there screaming at me they need fun, well, go turn on the TV or the stereo or the computer or something. :s But TS4 Sims do fun things all day with it totally full..maybe they should learn a skill or something so it's a not so smart after all, either.


    Ts4 Sims always get fixated with certain objects, people visiting your house as you as you let them in they will use their vampiric run to sit in front of the computer, take out trash, grilled. I witnessed multiple times at the free space in one of the newcrest neighborhood was literally littered by dozens of grilled food.
  • "izecson;c-17790390" wrote:
    "Cinebar;c-17790294" wrote:
    "pepperjax1230;c-17784636" wrote:
    Sorry but what is a smart sim again? Mine all seem to be dumb. :joy:


    I remember back in TS2 we complained the townies never fixed any hotdogs etc. when our hungry Sim was on a community lot and perhaps didn't have any money to pay the $8 for using a grill. They finally added that and townies will go ahead and grill sometimes or use the Uni fridge if our Sim is getting really hungry and fix a meal out of something. But it's a dice roll whether they will do that soon enough before our own Sim has to go ahead first and or if they don't keel over before someone gets around to it.

    TS4 Sims cook on the grills maybe too much. I'm not sure any of these games ever had any smart Sims, either. ETA: I think perhaps TS2 Sims are the smartest but I take it back when they are standing there screaming at me they need fun, well, go turn on the TV or the stereo or the computer or something. :s But TS4 Sims do fun things all day with it totally full..maybe they should learn a skill or something so it's a not so smart after all, either.


    Ts4 Sims always get fixated with certain objects, people visiting your house as you as you let them in they will use their vampiric run to sit in front of the computer, take out trash, grilled. I witnessed multiple times at the free space in one of the newcrest neighborhood was literally littered by dozens of grilled food.


    Yeah, no matter which game, except maybe TS1, but no even in that game, visiting Sims always wanted to use the stuff in the house and or ignore the Sims in the home. Yes, and I did see in TS4 the open spaces are full of hot dog plates. It would seem to me it should dawn on one of them that there is already five plates of hotdogs maybe don't grill more. :s
  • TS4 Sims remind me of Dug in Up.
    https://i.pinimg.com/originals/8a/f1/1b/8af11b1a04a315e3359ad53cfb4347ef.jpg
    https://www.puppyup.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/Dug-270x300.jpg
    I wish they would add in a function that allows the Watcher to give them a head-slap.

    "PAY THE FRIGGIN' HELL ATTENTION!!!! YOU EEDIOT!!!"

    In TS3...well, I just use NRAAS Debug Enabler and drop a meteor on them.
  • I totally agree, sims are NOT smart. More than half the memes on social media are exactly this, poor stupid sims doing stupid nonsensical things. Yesterday I was pleasantly surprised when my roommate took out the trash and washed her hands after. I thought that was normal behaviour at last, and that they should program stuff like this into the game a bit more. But it's so rare that we tend to celebrate instead.
  • In general, sims are not smart. At all. That said, I still think the TS2 ones are less not smart than the TS4 ones. So much for the advertising claim of 'smarter sims', especially in the areas of need tending and responding to directions. Also still think the female sim AI is smarter than the male sim AI, regardless of version.

  • Haha. Well I insist that my Sims are definitely much smarter than they have ever been (well compared to 1&2) because I didn't really play Sims 3 much. I don't really need too much analytical thought here, I can just tell by the lack of tombstones on my front lawn. They run inside the house to escape lighting and blizzards. They climb themselves out of swimming pools even if there is no ladder. They check on their own toddlers. They stop what they are doing and run to the bathroom to pee so they don't pee on the floor anymore. They eat anything, even handfuls of raw fruits in their inventory to stay alive when their hunger gets low, they wield handheld fire extinguishers and save themselves and other Sims from fire. How can I even compare? My Sims are little brainiacs now. However, they are not perfect. They still need to learn where is the correct counter they should chop food on, what sink should they wash dishes in, should they nap or sleep, should they get up from the dinner table to hug people or not, should they struggle with another Sim over the toddler chair, and without an alarm clock, they just don't wake up and go to work on their own. They are definitely much smarter overall I think. I just wish the coffee was much stronger too. The energy boost should be at least half a nap. The energy gain is too small in Sims 4 so they don't get enough boost to do other things before falling asleep.
  • My sims don't need to be smart. They have me for that. If they start acting foolish off goes the autonomy. ?
  • "simgirl1010;c-18042386" wrote:
    My sims don't need to be smart. They have me for that. If they start acting foolish off goes the autonomy. ?


    :joy: Haha same, actually I rarely give them any autonomy
  • Anonymous's avatar
    Anonymous
    4 years ago
    SimGuruRachel (Rachel Rubin Franklin) announced her arrival back on Twitter and at EA, though she is no longer directly working on the Sims 4. This is her tweet.

    You may remember her as the announcer from this infamous Sims 4 teaser presentation video.
    She enthused over "smarter sims" and a revolutionary emotion system. Looking back at this, I think she committed fraud! /jokes

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