What you think we could use in the sims 5?

"ClarionOfJoy;c-17452092" wrote:

"kwanzaabot;c-17451666" wrote:

"ClarionOfJoy;c-17451032" wrote:

"kwanzaabot;c-17450479" wrote:

"ClarionOfJoy;c-17449578" wrote:

"kwanzaabot;c-17448893" wrote:
If they're going to do open world again, it needs to have stuff to do in it.

Because, and I fully acknowledge this is a controversial opinion, but open world in TS3 just wasn't very good.

Forget the community lots for this discussion, community lot gameplay isn't open world. Community lots are just... basic Sims gameplay. Open world is what you do in the spaces between those lots. It's about visiting locations that you can't build yourself (although in TS5, you should be able to build anything you see. ANYTHING. Let's take the TS4 build tools and dial them up to 11).

So, open-world gameplay in TS3 was about the space between lots. But the space between lots in TS3 was about as full of content as the space between lots in 4, except 4 is prettier.

TS3 had collectibles. Cool. 4 has collectibles. What else? You could see Sims living in the world. Cool. So basically that describes TS4 walkbys. It's not worthy of the development time it'd take to make an open-world game.

Lots of games fall into this trap, they give you a huge world to explore, but all it really does is make you take longer to get from point A to point B. Yeah maybe there's some points of interest. Something you can tick off your "100% completion" checklist. But you can't complete The Sims.
So what would a POI look like in TS5?
Well, if TS4 was open-world, then I think the Brindleton Bay lighthouse would be a POI.

But what does making that open-world really accomplish? Oh you have a new spot to take screenshots at, or maybe it's a unique woohoo spot, like the lighthouse is.

How does that improve the core gameplay, really?
What changes, by making it open-world?

Memories would be a good use of that gameplay. You arrive at the lighthouse, and your Sim thinks, "this is where I proposed to my wife"
You visit your Sims' child's school, and the Sim thinks, "I hope Parent-Teacher night goes okay, not like last year..."
You go to your Sims' workplace, and your Sim thinks, "I don't think I'll ever live down the day I had a Bladder Failure at work"
You visit the cinema, and your Sims react. They say, "Hey honey, remember when we had our first date here? Man that movie was awful!"

THAT

is what would make open world worth it for me.

Open world accomplishes ZERO loading screens. That's the main attraction of open world. I love traveling through it too. It's not just about reaching your destination, it's also about enjoying the ride and the scenery getting there. It adds to the immersion of gameplay.

It also allows you to do things like photography. You can take pictures of far off locations even if your sim is in the open world and not in a lot. Same thing with painting. If it was just closed world or small open neighborhoods, you can't really do that. In an open world, you can actually camp anywhere you want, not just in a lot. If you live in a houseboat, you can stop anywhere in an open world's ocean and just live there. If this was a closed world or small open neighborhood, you can't do that either - what is the point since it's such a small space?

Open world also makes zombie apocalypse and assassin gameplay fun because you can shoot your target from several lots away (or however much your rifle zooms, so even farther). So open world allows for more strategic solutions.

I don't like closed or small, limited open neighborhoods. They make you think "small".

It accomplishes one long loading screen every time instead of short loading screens when required.

That initial loading time has gotten shorter with the current computers - it's only a few minutes now. It will be even shorter with newer models to come. After that, there is no interruption to gameplay. Whereas with all the loading screens in a closed world gets pretty annoying and the time that you wait during loading screens adds up to be more than the initial loading time for TS3's open world if you have your sims go out often. This is why people who play closed worlds generally don't like their sims to leave their home lot. Which means the player isn't using the whole map - a waste of money.

But this wouldn't be a short loading screen in TS3, it'd be a long loading screen in The Sims 5.
You're right, computers are faster now, that's why load screens are so short in TS4.

Now imagine a game more graphically demanding than TS4, where everything needs to be loaded at the start of the game. That first load at the beginning of each TS5 session is gonna take longer than the start of a TS4 game, that's just common sense.

I'm not giving times here, because hardware will evolve by the time of TS5's launch. But the total load time would be the same; it's just a matter of loading everything, all at once, or loading a little bit, and loading the rest when you need it.

No, you're wrong. It won't be a longer loading screen at the begining in TS5, because TS5 will be 64-bit and will be able to use much larger capacities of RAM. TS3 was built in 32-bit and could only access 2gb RAM (3gb RAM if extended). Rendering will also be much faster and on the fly in TS5.

Also, TS3 graphics are more demanding than TS4 right now because it has higher polygon counts and has more detailed textures. As we both agree, the newer computers load them much faster now. It would be even more so in 64-bit TS5.

So 100% open world is feasible and a more attractive option. More gameplay is possible with it than with closed or partial open worlds. I don't know why TS4 simmers would want TS5 to go backward in technology like with TS4. That would surely be the death of the franchise. Besides, all the TS4 simmers said that they're just going to stick with TS4 and not move on to TS5. So leave TS5 to everyone else who won't play TS4.

EAxis has to remember that it has competition now. They can't be cheap and do the minimum anymore like with TS4. If they make TS5 closed or even partial when Paralives and Paradox Tectonic are going to be fully open world systems, they're going to lose again. Just like with Sim Cities getting their butt kicked by Cities:Skylines.

You seem to be laboring under the misapprehension that I'm saying load times would be longer than TS3.

I'm not. I'm saying they would be longer than a series of short load screens, loaded as needed. Which is true. "Long" is longer than "short". That's literally the definition.

I'm not comparing its load times to any existing game, except to say that the experience of one load at the start of the game would be a comparable experience. I'm comparing TS5 to itself.

How long is a piece of string?

I think what I want mirrors a lot of what everyone else wants. I want TS5 to be a healthy mix of 2, 3 and 4 made up of all my favourite bits.

Sims personalities and details of the TS2. I want my sims to recognize and realize that other sims are in the room with them and even give a nod or wave as they pass in a hallway. I want my sims to do things like open a dresser drawer again when they're changing an outfit. Have something like an attraction system for romance again and personality points for interests. Fears.

Open world and create a world from TS3. Favourite foods, colour and music so that when sims autonomously choose to cook, listen to music they choose their favourite dish to cook (if they have the skill) and their favourite music. Story progression with a toggle to turn it off for those who are dead against it. Toggles for other things too like celebrities and occult sims so again, people who are dead against these life states can still buy a pack for the CAS and BB and then turn off the occult so people that do want occults don't have to have nerfed versions.

Build mode and create a sim modes from TS4. Maybe a bit of tweaking but those are pretty good this time around and easier to use. (IMO) The gallery.

It should be obvious too that it cannot launch half finished like TS4 did. This means we should have toddlers, ghosts, pools and basements right off and not waiting months to years for patches for these staples.

It would be nice to, since this will be the FIFTH time a lot of us will be re-buying the same sorts of pack ideas if some things like basic seasons and cats and dogs were included at launch. They could still add on to these packs later with more in depth game play and items. I think it would allow them to get more right into some new ideas sooner too and after 20 years of playing this franchise, I'm ready for some new ideas.

Not online. If they want to make it an optional feature, then ok, but I don't want my single player to suffer. I don't want items locked behind progress in an online play. I don't want to pay a monthly fee to access the online when I just want to single player. (They haven't said they would do any of this for sure, I'm just putting it out there that IF they go that route, then those are things I don't want).

Most importantly, I want some consequences. My sims aren't individuals anymore, they're more of a hive mind and they're all "Stepford wives" and it's kind of creepy. I don't want them miserable all of the time either, but I would like some balance. It's a game the last time I checked so it would be nice if it acted more like one.

@ClarionOfJoy idc about loading screens, they dont bother me. I dont care for open world, too many sims scattered all over. You go to a lot and theres only 3 people there. In the sims 2 you had 20 people hanging out at the grocery store, which was odd but fun engaging with everyone. I think inbetween both is perfect.

"Camkat;c-17459518" wrote:

"Nikkei_Simmer;c-17459483" wrote:

"StrawberryYogurt;c-17458772" wrote:
@ClarionOfJoy idc about loading screens, they dont bother me. I dont care for open world, too many sims scattered all over. You go to a lot and theres only 3 people there. In the sims 2 you had 20 people hanging out at the grocery store, which was odd but fun engaging with everyone. I think inbetween both is perfect.

This is the kind of attitude that ticks me off...effing royally. The statement (bolded) and other similar from both TS2 & 4 players push those who play TS3 in a corner telling them to shut-up it’s our game now.

You know what? SIMS 5 isn’t just a sequel for YOU bunch; it’s supposed to be for everyone. If it’s not going to be then why don’t the developers tell us that now so we can throw our support behind a game that will be inclusive of all players instead of those who happily pat their backs and are satisfied with lackluster status quo.

So just because someone isn't bothered by a load screen it means that you should shut up and sit in a corner? I must have missed something here...

I read the “idc about loading screens” as the poster doesn’t care about the multiple loading screens to go from house to house within the neighbourhood which is one of the things that ticks TS3 players off because it throws gameplay right out of immersion. I’d sooner take one long loading screen at the beginning of the game if it means I can.wander around the entire map with out having to see another loading screen until I go to a different world entirely.

And yes, TS3 simmers since 2014 have been told to shut-up and sit in a corner “go play your game if you don’t like it” and our complaints stifled.

Well TS5 is put up or shut it time. TS3 players are going to get our voices heard this time and expect that EA developers give serious consideration to what we want instead of shutting down our complaints.

There’s a challenger waiting in the wings and I’d hope EA learned their lesson from the Simcity debacle in 2014. We’re fed up.

"ClarionOfJoy;c-17459536" wrote:
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Focus please! That doesn't matter. If TS5 is a 100% open world, people can just create small neighborhoods to jump around in and have loading screens between each neighborhood like in TS4. But at the same time, it allows others to build larger worlds where they can put everything in them as they do in TS3 and not have to face so many loading screens until they decide to go to another world.


I just hope EAxis goes along with my suggestion to make TS5 a 100% open world system, with Create-A-World from the start and the ability to travel to all the worlds without a mod (and retain all relationships). That will allow for all player types to play the game they way they want, with or without loading screens, as well as allow for the widest variety of computers.

EAxis should also develop story progression and allow more control over options like NRAAS' Story Progression. They should look at that mod too.

@ClarionOfJoy - that is exactly what I want to see: 100% open world no broken relationships, story progression derives a life events timeline for the duration your family moves away and that when your sims come back the townies and NPCs have progressed in your family’s absence - in otherwords the sims in te world you left have aged at the same rate as your family members have so that let’s say you come back from Lancaster Falls (fictitious Sims 5 world) to Braxton Valley (lets say that if your sim left as a teen to go to Lancaster Falls and comes back to Braxton Valley) as a full adult, her teen classmates who never left Braxton Valley are also now full adults with families having married and raised kids in your family’s absence. That’s the type of Story Progression I want to see.

In other words I want the game developers to put their heads together and figure it out instead of taking the path of least resistance.

I know, EA, “I’m not asking for much...” ~sarcasm~. But when you start asking me to fork out $50.00 for an expansion pack; it’d better dam well be worth the time it took for me to earn that $50.00 that you expect me to drop on your game pack.

Money doesn’t grow on trees and I expect value for money paid out.

@Camkat I like TS2s attraction system too, but I think it could be extended and enhanced to a great degree to include traits, careers, money...

I sim can have an "attraction profile" similar to traits in TS3. Then their attraction to other sims could be calculated based off what they tick off from that list. They could have several turn-ons and turn-offs.

Example turn-ons:
- Redhead
- Seniors
- Family sims
- Loners
- Policemen
- Teachers
- Flirty trait
- "Nice" "Friendly" sims
- "Mean", "Hot Headed" sims
- Good sense of humour
- At least 5K money

Example turn-offs:
- Workaholic
- "Mean", "Hot Headed" sims
- Weight
- Family sims
- Snobiness
- Slobiness
- Laziness
- No sense of humour

Etc. So you could have a friendly, family-oriented sim that is attracted to flirty and fit redhead policemen, for example. If they meet a redhead, that's +1. If they meet a flirty and fit redhead, that's +3. If he's also a policeman, it's the perfect match.

Definietly have a combination of the previous games!

- Having a better family tree, the one of the sims 4 currently doesn't really show the history of the family you have spent so long working on and building its nice to be able to view the whole family tree like in previous sims games.

- allowing the baby to be more active than what they are at the moment, or at least they are able to be moved to other areas of the house not just be stuck in a cot.

- Bring back cars which were in previous games, such a main point in real life most people have a car so bringing that back would be fun.

- in sims 3 i loved the memory type thing it had where you can capture moments in the sims life or it would automatically capture important things in their life, and you were able to write about that memory.

- Have the option for sims to go to the hospital when they are pregnant and able to find out the gender of the baby. I know you can do this already but only if you have a sim within the doctor career.

- In one of the previous sims you were able to have more than one option of clothing for each section, this was helpful for e.g. the formal section you could choose their wedding outfit and also have their event outfit, so you didn't have to change their clothes when they are getting married because they turn up to their wedding in their event outfit or they wear an horrendous wedding outfit!

There is probably so many more things that could make Sims 5 that more enjoyable but that is main points i could think :) always have loved the sims <3

"Nikkei_Simmer;c-17459554" wrote:
I read the “idc about loading screens” as the poster doesn’t care about the multiple loading screens to go from house to house within the neighbourhood which is one of the things that ticks TS3 players off because it throws gameplay right out of immersion. I’d sooner take one long loading screen at the beginning of the game if it means I can.wander around the entire map with out having to see another loading screen until I go to a different world entirely.

And yes, TS3 simmers since 2014 have been told to shut-up and sit in a corner “go play your game if you don’t like it” and our complaints stifled.

Well TS5 is put up or shut it time. TS3 players are going to get our voices heard this time and expect that EA developers give serious consideration to what we want instead of shutting down our complaints.

There’s a challenger waiting in the wings and I’d hope EA learned their lesson from the Simcity debacle in 2014. We’re fed up.

I guess that's a personal perception then and I'm sorry that you were told that in the past, but that doesn't mean it should be projected onto everyone who feels the opposite of you? It's not fair to blame someone for something they didn't say. I'm not trying to shut you up either to be clear, just it wasn't fair to get so aggressive so quickly when that post stated none of what you took from it.

"ClarionOfJoy;c-17459536" wrote:


Focus please! That doesn't matter. If TS5 is a 100% open world, people can just create small neighborhoods to jump around in and have loading screens between each neighborhood like in TS4. But at the same time, it allows others to build larger worlds where they can put everything in them as they do in TS3 and not have to face so many loading screens until they decide to go to another world.

A 100% open world is much more flexible and will allow both sides to play the game. If TS5 is just open neighborhoods, it locks out a large section of players - those who play open world. They'll just go on to Paralives and Paradox Tectonic.

You're describing more of a create a world and assuming that we will be able to edit the world freely like TS3. Honestly, I hope for all of those things too. In my original post on this thread, I mention I want open worlds back too. I was just merely pointing out that words were being put into someone else's mouth, and rather aggressively too, all for having a differing opinion. We are allowed to disagree. ;)


@Zei I agree. Having the system back would be the basic of what I want. It definitely could/should be improved upon. Every version should be an improvement on the last (IMO) and we didn't really get that this time (again IMO) so I'm hopefully TS5 can get it right.

"Barney111;c-17459646" wrote:

- In one of the previous sims you were able to have more than one option of clothing for each section, this was helpful for e.g. the formal section you could choose their wedding outfit and also have their event outfit, so you didn't have to change their clothes when they are getting married because they turn up to their wedding in their event outfit or they wear an horrendous wedding outfit!

In TS4 you can have upto 5 different outfits for each clothing category and sims change them randomly.

I'm going a different route today. I want the game returnded to the player instead of the developers. Players need tools to make a game their own. I want it to no longer be about the followers and the tweets and the money but the player and their creativity and imagination. Supply them with a world creator, and editor, a pattern creator, a face skinning tool, a tool to recolor and retexture anything in the game, and tool editors to change Sims, layer clothes, create their own, or whatever. Fans shouldn't have had to come up with these things in TS4. These tools should have been a gleeful gift to the community from Maxis. Let them (consumers/fans play Sims. :D And the only way to do that is to stop hindering their creativity and imagination.

> @crocobaura said:

> In TS4 you can have upto 5 different outfits for each clothing category and sims change them randomly.

oh really? Mine definitely doesn't let me do this! hopefully can find a reason why as would help