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5 years ago

balance between nod/gdi

Hey folks!

I think many of you guys know me. Im playing Tiberium alliances for several years, won the 3 last WCS as member for nvidia and cic together with Takman1979 for Schaffa. Besides of that, I count to the best players of this game :P .
What makes me a bit sad, is that the game didn't have any game balance changes the last couple of years. Nod is much more stronger then GDI in nearly everything, except maybe the midgame of worlds without malus. GDI gets theirs snipers 2 days earlier and the paladin range is nice.

BUT
1. Nod is the best in farming outposts or even bases. The Vertigos are the best weapon of nod when its about killing the CY, Gdi has AT LEAST the double amount of structures infront of the CY. The Gdi commando is only 10% stronger then the nod one, but compared to the nod bomber
it's a joke. We dont have to mention the Hawks, who drops their whole ammo while flying above a wall.
Therefor: Please buff the damage of the commando. I think 20% more damage will be a nice spot. Not to weak, not to strong.

2. Nod has the best Upgrades in the game.

Mammoth: Ye well, everyone is laughing about the upgrade the mightest tank in the game, the mammoth. It's totally useless, it isn't a upgrade you are saving your research points or anything. Avatar has lifeleech, it's godlike! Mammoth can run over walls?
My suggestion: Give the mammoth the predator update (shields would be to op :D). Flat 20% more damage would be nice, then they can compete with the upgraded avatars lategame (still nod will be stronger farming outposts with low amount of repairtime due to lifeleech)

Kodika: The upgrade sounds nice, but in reality it isn't good. The % of HP converted to it's shield is too low. The only good thing u can do atm with it, to protect your sniper who fights against another sniper. Anything other then this, it's useless.
My suggestion: I don't know the correct numbers, but when the kodiak shield is at the moment 10% of the kodiaks hp, it needs to be doubled at least! (it won't be op, a mammoth protected by the kodiak will deplete it still under 1 second (: )

Nod has the strongest 2 upgrades on their most expensive units
Gdi has 2 upgrades which you normally dont research because its a waste of RP

3. Air domination due to cobras

Ye well, what shall i say. Everyone knows how good a cobra with shield is. It does not only provide 40-50% more hp, no.. It deals the whole time 100% damage till the shield is depleated. This means in farming outposts less repairtime and in strong bases you still can kill a mammoth in 2 rows where GDI needs at least 2x3 rows :/
gdi has the problem, that all air units except the kodiak, aren't tanky. The orca update can be nice, if it doesnt get killed till it reaches the mammoth/scrapbus. Paladin is in a good spot, due to his range he has kinda low damage but thats fine (one of gdis advantages)
My suggestion: Buff the Orca HP about 20%, then it can compete a little bit more with the cobras.

4. Defence and the domination of Taxi offenses

For ages now: "if you cant kill your enemy in 3 hits, just build a taxi offense and kill him in 60 hits" :D
What is a taxi offense? Well, it consists some reconers and inf/snipers.. You put the inf into your reconers and attack a PvP base which has full support --> your reconers gets killed instantly and the infantry plops out with 100% hp, so you can kill the base step by step
Nod is the only fraction who can build proper taxi offenses (due to invisible infantry, which is strong and doesnt get revealed by anything)
My suggestion: There is one super useless defence unit i never have seen in my playtime: the defence reconer/guardian. Let's give them a job, which makes taxi offenses as well more unattractiv: Both units reveal invisible units in a range of 2,5!

These are only a small amount of changes I thought about. I don't want GDI be better then NOD or even be overpowered.. But ~ 70-75 of the player base is playing NOD, because of the fact that is much stronger. These changes would help GDI , to convince some players to try out GDI again. NOD will still be better in many things, I didn't even mention the venom's in PvP or the specter which deals about twice the damage of a pitbull.

greez koegy

Edit: Please like if you are the same opinion, so it gets some attention!

Kaiser30
5 years ago
@kOeGy

humble as always?

I agree with him that there is no balance between NOD and GDI for ages! He has mentioned a lot of correct disparity’s.

Instead of changing unimportant objects like the use of support weapon - that nobody really want or asked for - you should concentrate on the crucial aspects of the game (balance, PVP - atm it is only a boring farming game, some new strategys - see input from Mediv for example in a different thread).

At least i would expect a comment here from the person´s in charge (today you guys have make numerous comments in different threads).
kOeGy
5 years ago
I just made some suggestions, which can be changed easily. Of course there can be some different ideas, like the mammoth regenerates 1% of its life per second ( there are many c&c games where the mammoth regenerates its life). It's important for me, that it gets a good upgrade, not a bullshitupgrade like "trampling walls"

Same for the kodiak, the shield hp is just to low. Still with buffed upgrades, GDI can't compete with the late game upgrades, nod has (double lifeleech). There are some walls/structure defences in the base/outpost? Oh nice, just stack 2 high leveled salas behind each other and the base is gone.
Nod:
10 seconds of simming
30 minutes repair time
Attack lasts 1 minute
Gdi:
5 minutes of simming
1:45 hrs of rep
2 attacks which last together 3-4minutes

Did i even mention pvp? Or that gdi defences in PvE needs to be 1-2 levels higher then the nods one to withstand?

I can't take people serious who say that nod/gdi is balanced
AlkalyneD4
5 years ago
I don't think Nod is that much powerful, it depends...

On Forgotten attacks worlds, lot of players want to play GDI now, I played both at the same time, my GDI account was stronger than my Nod account. GDI is way stronger on medium to hard bases,NOD players can do a better job by hitting only cherries.
Of course NOD is better when you only pick easy bases.

Firestorm 14 is a cherrypicking world so yes, Nod is way better here.
And Malus world, Nod is better too because now it's 90% farm.
But with these GDI changes, GDI will become too OP on forgotten attacks worlds.

GDI defense sucks without upgrade, but GDI defence upgrades are better than NOD upgrades.

Take an example on last FA world Tiberium 46 :

Top rank is full of GDI because GDI are stronger on FA worlds.

So even if FA is the only world where GDI can perform better than NOD, it's not easy to balance because if you buff GDI units, then NOD will totally disapear from these worlds.

I'm surprised because you don't play Malus world, and on FA world you have no problem to outperform NOD players.
And I will not play NOD anymore on FA world because it was way easier to play last FA world with GDI.
Soixie
5 years ago
"Kaiser30;c-2142388" wrote:
"Soixie;c-2142373" wrote:

The game is more than balanced and any advantage one faction has over another is outweighed elsewhere.

That´s not true - there is no balance between GDI and NOD notably because of the Updates. Koegy already mentioned a lot of correct issues. ...
So please let me know where this BIG and CRUCIAL advantage is outweighed. I really don´t see that!

One faction is great at farming, the other is great at PVP. The "issues" brought up in this thread are nearly 10 years old, so please excuse the majority of the community ignoring them. Especially since these "issues" get removed in Pay-to-play and as you approach level 65.

500cp and 1.5d RT? The minimum play package to be considered "adequate" in PVP is the monthly bundle @ 1k cp / 2.5D RT. I did have a fellow CIC running 300cp / 2.5D RT, flip flop with me at #1 player, but we had no PVP as we controlled the server. On one of my PVP servers, you will get smoked by the top 10 if you run anything less than 2k cp / 10d RT.

History has proven that anyone screaming "balance" is new, under level 50 and isn't playing the game anywhere near to it's potential. Get research to 100% and obtain 25+ bases first.
reinemachfrau
5 years ago
5. they just killed the game with the new payment method, no need to do further adjustments.

some of the changes would have been a nice try on firestorm world.
reinemachfrau
5 years ago
"EE_Elephterion;c-2142965" wrote:

Which appears to be an error, causing the website to present the wrong option to players. This will be fixed soon.

thanks for your feedback, looking forward to the fix.
EE_Elephterion
5 years ago
I can tell you that we are reading this thread as well as any other. If there is no input from us then its because we got nothing to comment.
When it comes to community suggestions we have to carefully vet them, because we all know, they often come from heart. Meaning they play to the payers favorite's strengths & weaknesses - but changes we implement should fit well into the bigger picture.
kOeGy
5 years ago
"Kaiser30;c-2143594" wrote:
This Thread is 10 days old - have you seen one input about that topic from the person in charge? No. They comment in other "smaller/unimportant" Threads on a daily basis - but not here. So its a waste of time to think about corrections of the game.

I don't think that the mods have a clue of the game and maybe it's not their job.

"EE_Elephterion;c-2143600" wrote:

When it comes to community suggestions we have to carefully vet them, because we all now, they often come from heart. Meaning they play to the payers favorite's strengths & weaknesses - but changes we implement should fit well into the bigger picture.

If there is no trust in my opinion and knowhow of the game, instead i'm getting told that I do this because of selfish reasons.. I cant help it :D
Just do an survey like before WCS 2019, where 2-3 of our russian ""friends"" got their multies and voted in their favor =)

Anyone who knows the game, would agree my statements at least by 90% of it, even if the person doesnt like me :D. Maybe the balance stuff is only intersteting for the top 50-100 players, but these people are also the reason why the game is still running.

My suggestions were simple and they were my first and last attempt (if it doesn't get heard by anyone who is in "charge) to change the game to a bit better one.

There are so many good ideas, like the one mediv thought about in his thread (which only got spammed and you can't report mods :/ :D ). If there won't be any changes or real tries to think about it, just tell us, then we don't waste our thoughts about this game anymore
Kaiser30
5 years ago
"AlkalyneD4;c-2144259" wrote:

Especially when the majority of players want this malus change on every malus worlds
-> WRONG

W26 is just a new kind of world with higher bases and this malus change was really necessary, because players don't want to play a world that will last 8 month for pve + X months Pvp.
-> WRONG...from day 1 everybody knew that it would be a long world. Changes had been made because of some individuals!

This is not the first thread about balancing, they will not implement it because this game does not have big updates anymore. Except maybe if 90% of the players want it ... not even sure that this game will have a new big update... Not because they don't care, but because of the cost of this kind of update.
-> CORRECT - there will be no changes because the game will be closed soon....by the way: i guess only 5-10% of the players are visiting these forum (if at all).

However - i´m no longer interested in discussions here because it´s a waste of time. The game was nice for a long time but now its time to say goodbye. Hope that everybody with half a brain is reasonable not to spend that much money for a boring browser game.

bye
gamerdruid
Hero+
5 years ago
I would add, don't change the settings for existing worlds! Leave them as they are and change them for new or special worlds like the firestorm worlds. B)