Limitations to Substitution

Because the timer wasn't working prior to the patch being installed. Many of my old worlds have similar long term subs but show that the sub has been active for only 1 or 2 days out of 1000's of days.

They have not implemented the substitution rules or the loot rules on existing worlds:

We are currently considering the upcoming worlds as the first where we will enable the restrictions to substitution and loot distribution. Should we find it necessary we may enable them on older worlds as well.

We have, for now, decided to only enable these limitations on future worlds, starting with Tib38. Older worlds will be "safe" for now from any purge.

Thanks. To be clear, will these rules not be enacted at all on older worlds, or is it just that the timers have only now started ticking, and a new substitution will need to be issued once 30 days are up?

"YulsEast;c-2049123" wrote:
Thanks. To be clear, will these rules not be enacted at all on older worlds, or is it just that the timers have only now started ticking, and a new substitution will need to be issued once 30 days are up?

The devs have stated repeatedly in multiple threads, including this one, that older worlds did not receive the new patch regarding sub rules, including the 30 day resubmit. The fact that your sub timer was fixed is unrelated to the 19.1 'fix' and was in fact simply repairing a bug with the code.

"Soixie;c-2049133" wrote:
The devs have stated repeatedly in multiple threads, including this one, that older worlds did not receive the new patch regarding sub rules, including the 30 day resubmit. The fact that your sub timer was fixed is unrelated to the 19.1 'fix' and was in fact simply repairing a bug with the code.

All worlds got the patch, the substitution and loot limits are not activated there.

"EE_Elephterion;c-2049343" wrote:

"Soixie;c-2049133" wrote:
The devs have stated repeatedly in multiple threads, including this one, that older worlds did not receive the new patch regarding sub rules, including the 30 day resubmit. The fact that your sub timer was fixed is unrelated to the 19.1 'fix' and was in fact simply repairing a bug with the code.

All worlds got the patch, the substitution and loot limits are not activated there.

we're stating the same thing ;)

So what is the rationale for not activating the new substitution and loot limit rules on older worlds? Seems that these are good rules and should be deployed universally.

I am not privy to the discussion about whether to include them on old worlds, but it is highly likely that old worlds would have died quicker if they had been.

Consider some worlds have been around for 3-5yrs or maybe more. Only 100 or less accounts remain logging in on some old worlds out of 30 000. The substitution rules especially would have hit very hard on these worlds. Why, because out of the 100 accounts logging in it is maybe 30 or less players with substitutions that have been active for years. Even if the substitutions continued the original owners are often no longer playing the game on any world so aren't contactable for them to re-substitute every 30 days.

Some would argue that these worlds should be closed, but for whatever reason, EA/Envision don't publicly support the closure of a world (that's why the Vet servers continue after the end of their season).

The loot changes probably wouldn't have much effect on very old worlds where many are at level 65 for 30 or 31 bases and can kill any forgotten with one shot, probably even the fortress with one player if they could get the level down with the injections. On more recent worlds (the tib, firestorm and wrath series) where multi-accounting, pre-hitting etc was rife when the worlds started may have been adversely affected. However, as this is the purpose of the loot feature I don't understand why it wasn't included on all worlds.

I think they may apply it at some point going forward but to be honest it accomplishes very little in the older worlds so why bother. I can't imagine many people are using multiple accounts to farm, that seems an early server issue not a late server issue.

As for the subs I think it was wise to not implement that. Think about it, if you've had a sub that you invested years in developing in one of those old worlds how angry are you going to be if it is taken away from you to solve a problem that doesn't exist really in those old worlds?

Well one reason to limit substitution is that clearly the game developers were not thinking that these "vacation substitutions" could last for years on end. In my world, which is 5.5 years old, I know subs that have been in control by one person for probably 4 of those years. He's actually got 5 alts and 15 subs, which he uses to go around and take POIs by influence. He thinks that it's great that you have to waste resources to go blast him off the POIs, which he doesn't care, because they are just subs so he just respawns and does it again. Not sure if that's what the game developers envisioned for this function.