Re: Currency Imbalance: Time vs Money vs Greed

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@Addhocc wrote:
I did it more as an experiment to see exactly what the odds were and payoff was. I totally agree. Then again its EA.

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If you were any educated you’d know that Respawn made sure that EA had no part in the making of this game whatsoever for this exact reason. Because uneducated people like you assume and bash them for nothing

Crafting materials average out at around 15 per level. You get 45 free loot boxes. So on average you need to spend at least $60-$100 on loot boxes to afford one single legendary skin of your choosing.

The way I see it they have to change to the F2P very quickly. What they have now is probably just for the quick cash grab at the beginning of the game's life-span. But with this stingy F2P model and the cheaters, only one map and eight characters. They have some ways to go to prevent this game from not bombing.

Except it the main source of income to feed thier children. How do you think free to play games are made? Magic? Here is how it works, generally speaking.

1. A game studio will pitch an idea to an investor.
2. The studio will then make a game using the investor's money.
3. In order to repay the investor, the game studio needs to have some kind of plan to earn money from the game.

They either

• Charge people to Download the game
• Free to play and include micro transactions.

Now you might be confusing the "scam" with "pay to win" but we are talking about making weapons/skins look different, which is NOT pay to win and NOT a scam.

@OmazingGamer1 Holy hell. I found him. The one guy that claims people are uneducated as his "knowledge" on how interactions of publisher and developer dynamics couldn't be any more incorrect. 

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@stratiSphere wrote:

Except it the main source of income to feed thier children. How do you think free to play games are made? Magic? Here is how it works, generally speaking.

1. A game studio will pitch an idea to an investor.
2. The studio will then make a game using the investor's money.
3. In order to repay the investor, the game studio needs to have some kind of plan to earn money from the game.

They either

• Charge people to Download the game
• Free to play and include micro transactions.

Now you might be confusing the "scam" with "pay to win" but we are talking about making weapons/skins look different, which is NOT pay to win and NOT a scam.

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Why are you using the term "scam". People aren't calling it a scam, they're calling it "greedy" "stingy" and perhaps "immoral". It is not a scam because you know what your'e buying before you buy it (basically the same as buying a lottery scratch card). It is however borderline immoral as they're using proven RNG gambling methods to sell off items from the store. Of course a lot of companies are doing the same. But there are F2P games doing  well for many years by not using loot boxes. Ie Warframe and Path of Exile to name a few.

You can incentivize people to buy your microtransactions better than that. Mostly by offering something actually worthwhile for the money they want. If you compare the loot you get for money in here to a non f2p game, the difference is ridiculous. Is it that bad in other f2p games?

Overwatch: 1 time payment of 40 bucks, 1 lootbox every single level with unlimited levels, 3 extra boxes per week from extra game modi, extra loot boxes depending on your endorsement level, 1 extra loot box at the start of every event, extra loot boxes at christmas... you're basically being buried in loot boxes there and all they ask after the one time payment is that you keep playing. 

Oh and you can buy specific skins for ingame currency that you get if you get a duplicate of something you already have in a lootbox.

Here: ~$1 per loot box, 20 bucks for a special skin. So for the price that a different company gives you a full game and essentially unlimited loot boxes until the end of time, this game gives you... 40 boxes with 3 items each and the chance for something good in there is rather low. How many of the... 30 million(?) Apex players have already bought loot boxes for the company to feed their children do you think? And does the sum total of loot they got from that come close to what a single overwatch player gets? I've seen one dude on the forums who dropped $600 on Apex. That's 15 Overwatchs. And he got crap all in that he said.

Believe it or not this model is the "KOREAN" way. IE Gatcha games like Epic Seven. I really hate these type of microtransactions because at the end of the day you are gambling and not getting what you pay for. If this was more like League of Legends where you can just pay for things outright at a reasonable price then I don't think there would be much complaint. But whatever, at the end of the day you can play the entire game and level up to 100 without the need for any cosmetics. 

I personally will purchase what I feel the game is worth... $30 and not a penny more. 

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@Addhocc wrote:

@OmazingGamer1 Holy hell. I found him. The one guy that claims people are uneducated as his "knowledge" on how interactions of publisher and developer dynamics couldn't be any more incorrect. 

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