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@Trokey66 I highly doubt that processing power of modern computers is a limiting factor.
We were playing onslaught with 32 bots in Unreal Tournament 2004, almost 20 years ago with single core CPUs.
And before you dismiss the AI, just consider that the game had vehicular combat with both ground and air vehicles as well as objectives and a power node network that needed to be conquered, linked up in the correct order and defended in order to gain access to a final reactor that needed to be destroyed.
The same was true for Unreal Tournament III from 2007.
If single core CPUs from 2004 could handle this gracefully, I'm sure today's CPUs would handle 128 bots without much difficulty.
Even if that wasn't the case. the number of AI could be reduced to a more manageable level for self hosted OFFLINE matches vs. bots.
Excuses like these really don't hold up to scrutiny in a world with multi-core CPUs with hyperthreading.
- ChrisAWJBethel4 years agoSeasoned Ace@Trokey66 Thank you. We were getting tired of your bigotry.
- ChrisAWJBethel4 years agoSeasoned Ace@Strelok_1284 Yeah, That's what they did in Battlefront II. And they shrank the maps to accommodate for the reduced bot count!
- Trokey664 years agoSeasoned Ace@ChrisAWJBethel Bigotry? Grow up!
- Trokey664 years agoSeasoned Ace
@Strelok_1284Doubt or know?
Whilst yes, computers are developing at a pace, comparing 2004 era 'bots' to artificial intelligence that will allegedly learn is a bit of a stretch.
Fact is there are numerous reasons why there won't be an offline mode with 'bots' but you guys fail to accept any of them, simply kissing them off to continue your self entitled demands for it.
I care not a jot for such a mode as I am unlikely to play it and it wouldn't bother me if one is eventually included, I am simply being realistic and open possible on reasons why it is not included.
There will be technical, planning, resource and/or financial reasons why but you lot seem to think it has been excluded just to hack you off. - ChrisAWJBethel4 years agoSeasoned Ace@Trokey66
From Wiktionary:
1. bigotry (Noun): Characteristic qualities of a bigot
2. bigot (Noun): One who is narrow-mindedly devoted to one's own ideas and groups, and intolerant of (people of) differing ideas. I would buy the gold edition again on PS4, but i refuse to pay for that PS plus crap ( it says that online play is required). I couldn't care less about MP... vs Ai is enough for me.
Please do not insult each other. Everyone’s opinion is welcome as long as it is respectful to others 🙂
Many of us agree that it would be great if offline mode is added at some point and more players will buy game in my opinion. But I also respect the opinion of others who think this is not feasible and I understand why they think so.
- Jesse1654 years agoSeasoned Ace
@ChrisAWJBethel wrote:
@Trokey66
From Wiktionary:
1. bigotry (Noun): Characteristic qualities of a bigot
2. bigot (Noun): One who is narrow-mindedly devoted to one's own ideas and groups, and intolerant of (people of) differing ideas.Directly insulting people is against the Forum Rules. Consider this your one warning.
- Trokey664 years agoSeasoned Ace
@ChrisAWJBethel wrote:
@Trokey66
From Wiktionary:
1. bigotry (Noun): Characteristic qualities of a bigot
2. bigot (Noun): One who is narrow-mindedly devoted to one's own ideas and groups, and intolerant of (people of) differing ideas.Look at that definition.
Now considered your posts on this subject.
Now look at that definition again.....
You have narrow mindedly devoted yourself to the cause of an offline bot mode whilst dismissing off hand any and all possible reasons why such a mode has not been included, been dismissive of other views and intolerant of other people through the use of insults.
As I said, grow up.
- tyl04134 years agoSeasoned Veteran@Trokey66 Control is what it's all about, unless they reverse their decision (which is unlikely by this point) best i can hope for it that one day modders make a private server. Real shame to turn an otherwise good looking game into disposable garbage to be killed in a few years. Remember SimCity 2013? They tried to pull the same thing and people told them to cut the * and they had to give up their "parts of the game are rendered on the server" lie once the game flopped. Darkspore too. If you got nothing to say then just don't. If you can't be bothered to care cool, go play the game despite the problems, don't actively defend them for creating the problems though.
- @Trokey66 Players, fans, fanatics, users, dreamers, programmers and more. These are common nicknames for words. But all fans of the Battlefield series (For those who like to troll the submenu the word fans on "Users / Players") dreamed of playing offline with bots in the Conquest format in the new Battlefield on the Frostbite engine. Because everyone wanted to connect bots and destroy buildings with them and do different things. But everything was limited to the plot. This act was the most stupid and they realized about it in 2021. However, it's too late. Everyone wants not only to play with bots, but also the ability to run offline in the Conquest format, as it was in Battlefield 1942, Battlefield 2, Battlefield Vietnam, Battlefield 2142.
- @Nevtox Yes, AI is good.
- @tyl0413 Yes my friend, good. without bots, more precisely Conquest mode with offline bots, the game dies. Because they will shut down the servers in 3-4 years and create a new game. And people who bought the game will no longer be able to play normally. It turns out not buying a game but renting. Therefore, I want bots to be added to Battlefield 2042 so that it all pays off and people know what they are paying for.
- Trokey664 years agoSeasoned Ace
- Trokey664 years agoSeasoned Ace
@tyl0413What is there to defend?
No one knows the definitive reason for why there is no offline 'bot' mode but there will be several no doubt.
I am defending no one per se, just being realistic.And it is really to simplistic and nieve to expect DICE to simply 'reverse their decision. Assuming it is technically possible, what are the budgetary and planning implications. What impact will it have on existing plans and how would it affect current targets and milestones?
- ChrisAWJBethel4 years agoSeasoned Ace
@Trokey66Because offline bots provide a way to play a game available to everyone, not just people with the 10000x Triple G Graphics Card and a 500 Gigabit Internet connection. I know this is very hard to understand, but there are poor people who play games who don't have access to an Internet connection or money for a monthly multiplayer subscription. Why don't you try putting yourself in their shoes?
- Trokey664 years agoSeasoned Ace
@ChrisAWJBethel it is not about 'being in their shoes'.
At what cost to EA/DICE, they are a business not a charity. Has it not occurred to you that even if technically possible, the cost/benefit may have been deemed unviable and a change at this stage may have undesirable impact on the project as a whole?
- ChrisAWJBethel4 years agoSeasoned Ace@Trokey66 Businesses are supposed to cater to the customer. Businesses are supposed to conduct their operations with integrity, inclusivity, and honor.
- EA_Kent4 years ago
Community Manager
Hey folks,
I've been reading through this thread, and I just wanted to drop a friendly reminder to please stay civil with each other here on Answers HQ. Just because someone doesn't share your opinion doesn't mean you should attack them personally. Not everyone will agree with you, and that's OK. We want Answers HQ to be a place that's welcoming to everyone.
I don't want to close this thread because we appreciate the feedback we've been seeing on this, but if we continue seeing personal attacks or other inappropriate comments we might have to lock it.
I'd encourage everyone to take a look at the Answers HQ Rules & Guidelines when you've got the chance to make sure you're not crossing any lines.
Thanks, everyone!
- ChrisAWJBethel4 years agoSeasoned Ace@EA_Kent Understood. I'm sorry for the trouble, sir.
- Jesse1654 years agoSeasoned Ace
@tyl0413@ChrisAWJBethel
We are not actively defending them for making it online only!
However we are smart enough to understand why it's online only because of the progression system and probably because of the Anti-Cheat.
Yes I do want offline Bot Matches as well.
But I understand it might be too hard on our hardware to do that without causing problems.
If this is the price to pay to be able to play 128 player sized Bot Matches (which we can with Battlefield Portal) and still be able to level up than So Be It. - ChrisAWJBethel4 years agoSeasoned Ace@Jesse165 You're talking about PC. I'm talking about console. Though it does exist, hacking/cheating is not a problem in console Battlefield. As for the progression, DICE can very easily turn off progression and enable all weapons/vehicles/gadgets/etc. like they did for Battlefront II. They can also cap the bots at a reasonable number for last-gen consoles, like 40. I say last-gen because I play on Xbox One, and I know there's people who can't afford an Xbox Series X.
- Trokey664 years agoSeasoned Ace@ChrisAWJBethel Does that mean that Aston Martin, Rolls Royce and Jaguar should consider me when making cars or in reality do I accept that I can only afford my Seat?
Should Rolex or Cartier consider me when they make watches or should I just accept the fact that my Timex will suffice?
Should Gordan Ramsey look at his restaurant pricing for me or should I just settle for my Friday night Fish and Chips?
Businesses should cater to their customers as best they can but don't have to cater to everyone. - Jesse1654 years agoSeasoned Ace@ChrisAWJBethel No I was talking about BOTH consoles and PC. I suggest you stop assuming things that are completely wrong.
Yes I agree that turning off progression and unlocking everything would work.
But even if/when they do add it I can guarantee it wont be at launch and would instead be in later updates just like when we got Instant Action for Battlefront 2. And nothing you say would make it sooner.
As I said I want offline matches as well. But you still have to be reasonable about it.
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