Re: The Nightbird's AGM should be Nerfed

@S3SSioN_SoL20mm* and you are vournable against competent pilot with mg. Still, it would take some time to take out tank with aps and thermals. Btw I ran jet yesterday and destroying vehicle with jet is even easier. 30mm prrrprr and bait thermals out with agm and reloop, woala.

@Man_iLoveFishing  They may as well be 30MM as they do that kind of damage.

Most Nightbird pilots run the miniguns instead, and those miniguns absolutely shred every single other aircraft, even Jets because of their pinpoint accuracy.

Jets are far, far more balanced than the Nightbird.

Jets are constantly challenged by other Jets and the enemy AA, the same absolutely cannot be said about the Nightbird.

You can seldom track the Nightbird with the Jet's miniguns due its crazy agility, its maneuverability makes it easy to evade lock ons. And that's when the Nightbird's OP pinpoint accuracy shows when it simply turns and shreds Jets with its miniguns, the only way to combat this is to fly directly above it and hope the Pilot crashes. Not to mention the bug that lets it dodge locked on missiles whilst not even being below radar. There's no skill involved.

With the Jet and the 30MM at least there's skill involved. You have to literally time your dives, dive at the wrong time and you're literally toast. But again, the Jet's 30MM is absolutely garbage, there is no scenario where you would take it over the 25MM.

The Nightbird is a broken, buggy vehicle and it needs to be fixed. In my opinion, it shouldn't even have AGMs if it has the kind of agility that it has.

Oh, and I forgot to mention, the Nightbird can be repaired by passengers. Just another reason why the light heli needs to be nerfed, it can't be this strong whilst still having people repair it.

So in summary:

1. Its AGMs are OP in comparison to all other aircraft.
2. Its agility coupled with insane accuracy is imbalanced.
3. Its a bugged vehicle that can dodge locked on missiles. (Whilst being above 20 meters)
4. It can't land without toppling over.
5. The pilot can die from an explosion behind the aircraft.
6. The Jets AGMs should be swapped with the Nightbird, or the Nightbird's missile silo count should be reduced to just 1 Rocket and not 2.
7. The only aircraft that should have the killing power to destroy a vehicle in one flyby is the Attack Heli, not a light heli.

@S3SSioN_SoLMy good boy, we already talked about this. I suggest you to play it before suggesting anything. And you die to a bird cause you fly in and run out of zone, you must turn which means you gain altitude and turn whole jets flatland on my sight. And I don't deny at all that jets requires skill, but if I would play 400 hours with jets, I'd probably dominate most matches by killing vehicles, especially with latest update. And 20mm overhears quick btw on bird. And I would take jets 30mm over 25.

Edit: but you take 25 because you want to strafe infantry.

Edit2: Most helicopters can dodge lockons.

Year 1978:

https://youtu.be/kly8soer0hY

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@Man_iLoveFishing wrote:

@S3SSioN_SoLMy good boy, we already talked about this. I suggest you to play it before suggesting anything. And you die to a bird cause you fly in and run out of zone, you must turn which means you gain altitude and turn whole jets flatland on my sight. And I don't deny at all that jets requires skill, but if I would play 400 hours with jets, I'd probably dominate most matches by killing vehicles, especially with latest update. And 20mm overhears quick btw on bird. And I would take jets 30mm over 25.

Edit: but you take 25 because you want to strafe infantry.

Edit2: Most helicopters can dodge lockons.

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I have over 580 hours in 2042. And over 4580~ hours including BF3, BF4 and BFV. My experience in 2042 is spread across all possible facets. Infantry, Tanks and Aircraft.

I'm old enough to be your mother, so don't insult me because you're failing to provide a logical counter argument as to why the broken and bugged vehicle that is the Nightbird needs to be fixed.

You yourself said you're happy that you can exploit the bugs it has, so clearly you're Nightbird main and are very happy going 80 and 0 with a broken vehicle.

I'm done replying to you as you consistently derail the point of this thread and opted for an ad hominem response because you know that it's a bugged and broken vehicle and can't defend that.

This game needs more dog fights, that is what it needs, so jets don't need to engage with tanks or helicopters. 

The weight of the decision on selecting AGM, dumb fire or AA is inexistent because, 1) the machine guns shreds helicopters and jets, and 2) the dumb fire rockets are a one size fits all and take on jets, helis and tanks, so despite the low damage, eventually they will kill tanks, helis, and jets. 

So I have nothing against 2 jets per side.

At least it would keep them busy and happy, and the decision between AGM or dumb fire vs AA would have a lot of weight because they would have two jets on the opposing team, which could be focused on jets vs jets, and finally, infantry could destroy a jet of they flared at the wrong time/location, or help their team's jets. Currently, the FXM-33 doesn't add much value to a load out. With more jets, perhaps it would make sense. 

The dumb fire rockets engage too easily. Like Liz. She was doing a much better role as AA than as anti tank, but she was a one size fits all before the nerf. 

Then after all that, I would perhaps return the AGM to what or was before, but the focus would be on jets vs jets primarily, and that starts by nerfing jets' machine gun damage and dumb fire. Jets vs tanks would be a second role after air dominance. Then hell yeah, make AGM do 33% damage. 

There is a proposal to remove AGM missiles from Nightbird and replace them with wire missiles only. Here it will be more difficult to step on the technique so boldly. To hit with a rocket you will need to hover and aim, which automatically makes you an easy target. It will be very difficult to direct a missile in a direct collision, a high risk of a miss, thereby a chance of survival for equipment.

Guys, you have counter measures, use them properly. Even for boosting, use Irish. Period. You are asking to be untouchable. 

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@Man_iLoveFishing 

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If the NightBerd is not driven away with a stinger, then the tank is disassembled in less than a minute, even with a countermeasure from the Irishman. Personally, I probe the brilliant green with a large-caliber machine gun so as not to waste the AGM, 5 seconds the brilliant green is over, then it resets the thermal ones. All this time you have been hitting it with large-caliber ones, by this time the tank loses about 20% of its life, then 2 AGM. The tank does not have time to make it to the countermeasure repeated before the second AGM and, as a result, it takes damage from 2 AGMs about 70%. Then it's up to the small, in the intervals between 2 AGMs, you knock it out with large-caliber ones.
What can I say here, even the thick-skinned MAW is disassembled into molecules within a minute.

Thanks for the feedback, all.

Passing it on to the teams.

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@Tank2042Man 

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Here, whatever one may say, ground equipment is now a tasty morsel for Nightbird with AGM. The only thing that can save equipment from a raid and inevitable death is a fierce anti-aircraft gun or several infantrymen with stingers. This is not your fault, this is the inevitability of dying because the team did not protect you.

Like I said, I've fought long fights against one tank, one player and yes I killed him, in minutes. Most of tankers don't even shoot back with machine guns, tow, you name it.

Skill issue now.

More likely problem is that me joining in busy fight against tank that has been damaged gets killed within seconds. But oh well, let it get nerfed, basically you are channeling bird mains all attention on infantry, since vehicles will get declined, which means pods and mg.

Next step: Nerf hokum/apache. 

So air vehicles can shoot AGM down to all vehicle targets on the ground. Some ground vehicles besides the AA have weak anti air guns. 

What we had on Battlefield 3 and Battlefield 4 was the best balance between all vehicles. Tanks could laser desigate and were also armed with a guided shell that would hit target locked vehicles just like a Javelin "Top Down" shell. That would be a good option for tanks on the commander seat to add a SOFLAM since that fourth seat its basically useless

The driver can just shoot its guided shell.

@rop81  Arguably Battlefield 4 had even worse air vehicle balance.
A good pilot, gunner combo would just time the respawn of the enemy Heli and TV missile it every, single, time.

Furthermore, Battlefield 4 suffered from useless Stingers. The Maps were far more balanced however, for both vehicles and infantry, so aircraft would just use ECM and casually enjoy their advantage whilst the only surefire way to take them down was dumbfire rockets, an absolute headache compared to the ease of which attack helis fought. I still have PTSD from Siege of Shanghai, brilliant map but not when the Chopper Duo was online...

But 2042 has something BF4 didn't, Rao. Sadly however Rao is pretty bad without a missile launcher and needs to be majorly buffed.

I understand talking about the past, but lets not derail this post. It is about the Nightbird and how broken and bugged it is.

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But 2042 has something BF4 didn't, Rao. Sadly however Rao is pretty bad without a missile launcher and needs to be majorly buffed.

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@rop81  Could you hack vehicles in Battlefield 4 and 3? Imagine if you could.

Rao is literally the answer to vehicle balance but he can only be that balance if he himself is balanced. Rao is so far off the scale, that he is literally a walking TUGS. lmao.

There can only be so many vehicles on the map at a time, infantry should be able to rely on themselves to deal with vehicles, and vehicles already do a good enough job as it is but some vehicles... are too strong (Nightbird and Railgun Tank). And some specialists are really bad, Crawford, Boris and Rao for instance. If they were far better at their jobs, they could deal with vehicles better and feel more useful.

@rop81  And by the way, I already agreed with you as reflected here:
https://answers.ea.com/t5/General-Discussion/SOFLAM-For-Tanks-and-Other-vehicles/m-p/12436415/highlight/true#M165974

I am merely making the point that if 2042 were a table, it's legs are all uneven lengths.

@S3SSioN_SoLI get your frustration because I also hate being on the ground and being obliterated by a little bird.

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@rainkloud wrote:
@AlkaniusRUSRubbish. 

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Perhaps there is some truth in your words in skillful hands, she is the same imba, but it will definitely be much more difficult to use her than AGM. I use TOW on attack helicopters and don't take AGMs on purpose as I am a BF4 fan and have always flown strikers with TOWs. With TOW you will definitely be an easy target for TOR or Foxes for a few seconds. Not only that, you will not have such an opportunity to send a missile from behind cover like an AGM, you will now have to lead the TOW to the target. This is now not the same principle, shot and forgot. And the further the target, the greater the chance of a miss, respectively, the chances for the survival of equipment.

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@rainkloud wrote:

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And I forgot to add a clarification to my comment. TOW has a much longer reload time compared to AGM, this will definitely increase the survivability of the vehicle.