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Meza994
Seasoned Ace
2 years ago

Re: Engine Sound of F1 24 / Early Access engines

I cant really agree to this hate for the sound of the game, many mods for AC sound A LOT worse but there are definitely some things that the good mods for AC do way better than the F1 games but there are also reasons for that..

The shifting is definitely by far the weakest point for F1 games, sometimes almost unaudible and just a change in RPM sound, massively better in AC mods

The pitch of the engine itself seems a bit off on some but nothing mega crazy..

The Ferrari engine sound in itself is a lot worse and has been for multiple years, the AC mod that i heard recently is miles ahead in that regard.

However the reasons for the sounds and liveries and what not to take long or not change properly at all are quite obvious: First it has all to be licensed, aspecially the visual changes need to be approved by each team.. then it need to be approved by FOM, basically any change afaik.. Next that Codemasters are not allowed to use the F1 microphones audio for the game - at least a few years ago they said so - makes a HUGE difference on the core material the audio guys of Codemasters have to work with.. Even FOM * up with the engine sounds this year, i think with a ferrari powered car, dont remember which, it gets a rattling tremolo on the actual audio, thats just the placement inside the car and when Codemasters have to use a completely different placement its hard to get 1:1 the same results..

Could they do better in some regards? very likely, would all changes be faster and better if it wasnt for the reasons i stated above? Absolutely..

Its not like this game sounds like the "f1 games" from the 80s but some of you make it out to be the worst car sounds ever in a game😂 Just relax a bit, constructive criticism achieves more than just plain out calling someone bad😄

18 Replies

  • Streameeze0's avatar
    Streameeze0
    Seasoned Veteran
    2 years ago

    Thank you for your feedback 👍 Obviously the present sound is not the worst in the franchise but remains very far from the real sound of the engines. This is valid for the 4 engines present in F1. And of course it is also a question of licenses and the FOM as always and this is unfortunately an obstacle to the significant improvement of the games both in sound and in livery as you said. Despite this, for me and many people in the community, the noise of the engines is quite far from reality. I'm not making it up, it's real. There is obviously hatred in the community, especially at the moment but it is not only for the sound as you say but for a lot of things which are in no way heard by Codemaster or changed by their developers. I find that somewhat logical as a lot of people are angry. It's not Max or Lando or even the Esport players that we are shown on the networks who keep the franchise alive. This is only a small percentage of the community. It's you, me, everyone present in the forums, the comments on all the networks that keep the games alive. 😄

  • Meza994's avatar
    Meza994
    Seasoned Ace
    2 years ago
    @DavidLld33 Absolutely valid criticism and i was just referring to the very negative tone in this thread, there is plenty of reasons to be negative about the recent state of F1 games (has been going on for a while).. But to me the Honda, Merc and Alpine are acceptable engine sounds under the given circumstances, considering that everyone listens to them, the real engines and mods on considerably different audio systems.. Be it just small in ear headphones, real headphones, just a tv, normal speakers or even studio quality speakers, they all give you a different frequency response and pronounce certain aspects of the sound differently - not even starting with the reverb diffusion of the room - so while the F1 game might sound horrendous with player A's audio system it might actually sound closer to real life than AC with player B's audio system. And im also not starting with peoples individual perception of sound..

    All im asking is that people consider that its just not that simple of a matter and you cant make audio please everyone🙂
  • Streameeze0's avatar
    Streameeze0
    Seasoned Veteran
    2 years ago

    Yes I agree with you on the fact that this post remains quite negative but despite this in no way aims to bring hatred towards the developers or destroy the games 😁 But just something that has been pointed out for years by a lot of people and which tends to have very little evolution and it is obvious that it is not that simple. But if no one really talks about it, the chances of it changing are very slim. This forum is dedicated to this kind of thing if I'm not mistaken 😃 You know for my personal case I started working on the F1 franchise since "Formula one 2003" so for a few short years already. And every year I own the game whether it is good or not. Except this year for the first time in my life. I remain an F1 fan and it is not very difficult to identify the problems or faults that have persisted for a long time. This post is only one point among many, and it may not be part of the immediate priority but I think it deserves to be exposed 😉

  • Frogsgreen's avatar
    Frogsgreen
    2 years ago

    I also really hate the engine sounds but I can deal with them. The sounds that I can't deal with are the external sounds, it sounds so bad. It is almost as if it is a video playing in the background, I'm off the engine, yet it still plays an engine noise and it is just so bad.

  • homesvslupin's avatar
    homesvslupin
    New Veteran
    2 years ago

    @Meza994What on earth are you talking about?
    Regardless of licenses and approvals, it shouldn’t be worse than before.
    At least it must improve every year to get closer to reality. But not.
    It's moving away from the real thing, but it also mentions that new real engine sounds are recorded every year.
    The current engine sound is not at the official game level.

  • DrCarter33's avatar
    DrCarter33
    2 years ago

    Point Is you expect things to improve and not to become worse. When you think f1 21-22-23 (apart from Merc engine) all have good engine sounds...

  • IanM282's avatar
    IanM282
    Seasoned Ace
    2 years ago

    It's like they've just thrown any old rubbish together with no thought. Extremely disappointing!

  • issueskid13's avatar
    issueskid13
    Icon for Codemasters Team rankCodemasters Team
    2 years ago
    @IanM282 Hmmm...if by throwing rubbish together you mean flying to Bahrain and recording the cars with the teams, then yes. That's what we did. Perhaps some constructive feedback might give us a bit of a better idea of what you don't like with the engines.
  • IanM282's avatar
    IanM282
    Seasoned Ace
    2 years ago

    Flying to Bahrain to record the engines is massively appreciated and it's great to hear that such effort has been made. Of that there is no doubt.

    The feedback regarding mainly the Ferrari engine sound on this forum however is not great. The Ferrari in real life has that usual characteristic of the turbo whine, which has always been a distinctive trait of the Ferrari engine. And in addition always been implemented to a degree into recent games such as F122 and F123.

    The Ferrari engine sound in the game does not sound great as highlighted by many other players. 

  • issueskid13's avatar
    issueskid13
    Icon for Codemasters Team rankCodemasters Team
    2 years ago
    How to leave us feedback to investigate something:

    @IanM282 "The feedback regarding mainly the Ferrari engine sound on this forum however is not great. The Ferrari in real life has that usual characteristic of the turbo whine, which has always been a distinctive trait of the Ferrari engine. And in addition always been implemented to a degree into recent games such as F122 and F123.



    The Ferrari engine sound in the game does not sound great as highlighted by many other players."


    How not to leave us feedback to investigate something:
    @IanM282 "
    It's like they've just thrown any old rubbish together with no thought. Extremely disappointing!"

    Thanks for being constructive in your most recent message. We can work with comments like that.
  • SirusVR's avatar
    SirusVR
    Rising Adventurer
    2 years ago

    The cars sound like weed wackers. 👎

  • DrCarter33's avatar
    DrCarter33
    2 years ago
    @issueskid13 wrote:
    How to leave us feedback to investigate something:

    @IanM282"The feedback regarding mainly the Ferrari engine sound on this forum however is not great. The Ferrari in real life has that usual characteristic of the turbo whine, which has always been a distinctive trait of the Ferrari engine. And in addition always been implemented to a degree into recent games such as F122 and F123.



    The Ferrari engine sound in the game does not sound great as highlighted by many other players."


    How not to leave us feedback to investigate something:
    @IanM282"
    It's like they've just thrown any old rubbish together with no thought. Extremely disappointing!"

    Thanks for being constructive in your most recent message. We can work with comments like that.

    I always want to be constructive because I want so much this and every F1 game to be the best and the closest to what we see on TV as possible. I gotta say that in F1 24 you can't enjoy driving a Ferrari powered car with this engine sound. F1 22 was so much better, so please make the sound as close to that game as possible if you can or otherwise just make it less high pitched and introduce more turbo whine especially during downshifts. I hope this could be of some help. Cheers

  • Meza994's avatar
    Meza994
    Seasoned Ace
    2 years ago
    @homesvslupin Better or worse depends on the listener as i tried to explain it depends on where you listen, what you get for comparison etc, like the Alpine on low revs off-throttle sounds a ton better than last year, to me, Merc does too, the Red Bull/Honda in AC mods sounds atrocious to me but thats just my opinion.. Regarding sound you get as many opinions as on the taste of food
  • homesvslupin's avatar
    homesvslupin
    New Veteran
    2 years ago
    @Meza994 I am very uncomfortable with your opinion. Because your opinion is well thought out and easily blurs the argument on this issue.
    Many players, as well as people on this forum, believe that the engine sounds are not close to the real thing.
    The fact that there is no correct answer to sound and that individual differences exist is a statement that can easily ignore such opinions.
    This is neither Mozart's classical music nor pop music.
    This is not pineapple pizza or coffee.
    This is not a question of whether it is good or bad to hear, but a question of whether it is close to reality or not.
    There is a clear target audience for what we hear on F1 TV Onboard.
    People who raise this issue are not stupid enough to express their opinion because they do not know the difference between devices such as mobile and TV, or headphones and speakers.
    I work as a broadcast audio engineer, and as I am sensitive to sound, I compare game and real-life audio in various ways, and even if you are not an audio engineer, you can clearly see the difference.
    In some series, Mercedes was good, and in other series, Ferrari was good. They have a lot of potential and it will be a shame to hear the sound of the engine going backwards in the next series.
    People who agree with this are not just negative people who dislike this game, but because they expect this game to develop further and hope that it will increase my sense of immersion.
    Of course, opinions on whether it is good or bad can vary as much as the current handling issue, but treating it as just an individual difference is the same as completely denying the reason for this forum to exist.
  • Meza994's avatar
    Meza994
    Seasoned Ace
    2 years ago
    @homesvslupin You are right that it shouldnt be taken as argument to blur the issue neither was it meant by me this way. As i said in my first posts the Ferrari is clearly off and there is room for improvement for all engines but as someone who also studied audio engineering and who spent years with audio stuff i can equally argue about the comparison which i do a lot too..

    The thing is you can compare 2 sources on 5 different sound systems in 5 different rooms and will get 15 different opinions even by listening to it yourself just because each individual setup promotes other differences in the waves and thus it the current Honda sound can be much better than AC mods under conditions A because the right frequencies are promoted there but under conditions B its rather the AC mod. Next thing is that to each different listener other aspects of the engine are the triggering point to gauge whats close and whats not. And then there is probably the biggest problem of the Devs not allowed to use FOM microphones audio, so they have to use a completely different source material compared to the modders on AC etc.

    And just to underline this: There is plenty to improve on, especially the downshifting this year is worse, the Ferrari engine is quite off, but there are also some things better and just talking it down as total rubbish isnt gonna help and im trying to give people some more ideas on why it may sound so bad to them, not trying to say it neednt change! 🙂
  • kevthedevcymru's avatar
    kevthedevcymru
    7 months ago

    Iv been to a number of races this year and i can tell you without question, the sounds of the cars in this game are not even close to the real thing. this is a huge problem for me and many others, it is enough for me not to play the game until its fixed. 

    Listen for yourself , what the cars sound like in the real world   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n80zq3bKaFk

  • AEF251's avatar
    AEF251
    Rising Ace
    7 months ago

    It’s not quite the deal breaker for me as it seems to be for others and the Merc engine seems fine to me which is the one I have mostly used but I will say this for the Ferrari- it sounds like it was recorded from inside a helmet 

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