I'm not talking about if a player is dc'd and can rejoin, I am talking about leaving before the game begins because a player is literally not there. In arena, if a player is completely not there, so they cant even rejoin, you can be punished for disconnecting from that game. In essence, Respawn and EA are so desperate to keep players in their game, they will punish you for disconnecting from their broken * servers. As if you are supposed to sit there and take it like a good child. How low will they stoop with this abandoned game? Any remaining programmers and IT specialists should quit if they are barred from fixing these problems, to make a statement.

I totally get the point you make about bugs. I'm a dev (not a game dev, but programming principles are transferrable). Things happen. BUTThere is a CLEAR lack of acknowledgement, addressing, or fixing of these issues from the Respawn team. Arenas has had incredibly poor MM since release and it has only gotten worse in Ranked Arenas. Normally a "bugs happen it takes time to iron them out" would be fine, but these are consistent ongoing issues with a long history. Issues in the Apex store get addressed within a business day, but matchmaking changes or fixing a simple boolean (true/false) that can cause a MM penalty for leaving a game with one/no teammates? Nah that can wait until next season, sorry we're too busy releasing cosmetics.

@swingingmeatbalzHey there, while I can understand the frustrations this may bring you I would like to point out that if there is no teammate in your arena match you can leave. I do want to ask though was you with a friend as a duo when this happened? Also did you allow yourself to be in the starting area on the ground to buy guns before trying to leave? Even if it gives you the notification there can be a punishment for leaving it sometimes is a false positive pop up. If this is the case then your duo will need to leave the game first before you. I leave games at times in arenas when someone is not there. I have never gotten the punishment for doing so.Would also like to note the game is not abandoned it is being worked on non stop around the clock. Some employees working countless hours well beyond the required time needed. They are trying. While it is easy for players to think things are just a simple fix I can assure all of them that hiccups in this industry do happen. Finding some bugs is and can be a needle in a haystack. It's not a simple oh I see this issue is happening let me go directly to the issue and fix it. It is a lot more complex than that.

@swingingmeatbalz this is happening in all ranked game modes.As far as I am hearing this is (yet another) fix from Respawn's side to DDoS attack situation.In short - some players used to DDoS server when they got knocked/eliminated so that game crashes and they don't get penalty, negative RP.Respawn could not prevent that I guess so they just introduced a code where if people disconnect they still get somehow "logged" as being in the game thus negating loss forgiveness.I even have had such bizarre cases where up till the end of the game there was no sign of the 3rd player in the team and only after elimination in a summary section I suddenly see the 3rd person's name and legend and of course 0 in all stats and moments later I get respective RP without loss forgiveness when it should be applied.Never felt better being Diamond 4 hardstuck :D

@swingingmeatbalz https://answers.ea.com/t5/General-Feedback/Ranked-Arenas-Leaving-match-when-not-a-full-squad/m-p/10888658#M88744I posted the EXACT same thing. I was in ranked too. Just remove the abandon game penalty if your team is not full. Simple.

Absolutely disgusting, punishing players for leaving a game with missing team

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E9ine_AC
Hero+
4 years ago
@swingingmeatbalzHey there, while I can understand the frustrations this may bring you I would like to point out that if there is no teammate in your arena match you can leave. I do want to ask though was you with a friend as a duo when this happened? Also did you allow yourself to be in the starting area on the ground to buy guns before trying to leave? Even if it gives you the notification there can be a punishment for leaving it sometimes is a false positive pop up. If this is the case then your duo will need to leave the game first before you. I leave games at times in arenas when someone is not there. I have never gotten the punishment for doing so.

Would also like to note the game is not abandoned it is being worked on non stop around the clock. Some employees working countless hours well beyond the required time needed. They are trying. While it is easy for players to think things are just a simple fix I can assure all of them that hiccups in this industry do happen. Finding some bugs is and can be a needle in a haystack. It's not a simple oh I see this issue is happening let me go directly to the issue and fix it. It is a lot more complex than that.
swingingmeatbal
4 years ago
Lets go Brandon
Eshshshss
Seasoned Ace
4 years ago
@swingingmeatbalz this is happening in all ranked game modes.

As far as I am hearing this is (yet another) fix from Respawn's side to DDoS attack situation.

In short - some players used to DDoS server when they got knocked/eliminated so that game crashes and they don't get penalty, negative RP.

Respawn could not prevent that I guess so they just introduced a code where if people disconnect they still get somehow "logged" as being in the game thus negating loss forgiveness.

I even have had such bizarre cases where up till the end of the game there was no sign of the 3rd player in the team and only after elimination in a summary section I suddenly see the 3rd person's name and legend and of course 0 in all stats and moments later I get respective RP without loss forgiveness when it should be applied.

Never felt better being Diamond 4 hardstuck :D
SolitaryMassacr
4 years ago
@swingingmeatbalz https://answers.ea.com/t5/General-Feedback/Ranked-Arenas-Leaving-match-when-not-a-full-squad/m-p/10888658#M88744

I posted the EXACT same thing. I was in ranked too. Just remove the abandon game penalty if your team is not full. Simple.
SolitaryMassacr
4 years ago
@E9ine_AC https://answers.ea.com/t5/General-Feedback/Ranked-Arenas-Leaving-match-when-not-a-full-squad/m-p/10888658#M88744
This isn't true. I was in team of 2, and went to leave, and it told me I would get the abandon game penalty. A team of 2 cannot win easily in arenas (esp if they have lifeline). We should be allowed to quit without any penalty because YOU could not fill my squad. This is not our fault.
Heihatchi
4 years ago
I had an arenas day were my first 6 games was; 2v3, 1v3, 3v3 that the third was inactive, 2v3, 3v3, 1v3. Now I don't know what you guys/gals think, but in this day and age that we live in, what in actual hell is going on when the game thinks it's ok to que up a 1v3? I try not to fuss much, I know it's a lot to keep things running smoothly ALL the time. But come on, 1v3? And like the others say, you either roll in and take the L or you get punished. Punish the A-holes that are surfing matches or getting reported constantly, assuming that system is working, which it doesn't most the time and assuming someone actually looks at those.
papahandsoap
4 years ago
I totally get the point you make about bugs. I'm a dev (not a game dev, but programming principles are transferrable). Things happen.
BUT
There is a CLEAR lack of acknowledgement, addressing, or fixing of these issues from the Respawn team. Arenas has had incredibly poor MM since release and it has only gotten worse in Ranked Arenas. Normally a "bugs happen it takes time to iron them out" would be fine, but these are consistent ongoing issues with a long history. Issues in the Apex store get addressed within a business day, but matchmaking changes or fixing a simple boolean (true/false) that can cause a MM penalty for leaving a game with one/no teammates? Nah that can wait until next season, sorry we're too busy releasing cosmetics.
Eshshshss
Seasoned Ace
4 years ago
@SolitaryMassacre yeah but the problem here probably is in the fact that the game can't determine the fact "is your team full" given the current situation where some get disconnected due to their ISP, some use game exploits up to DDoS level given available info online, some get disconnected due to potential server's / game's fault.

So developers here just have to figure this one out and fix the current system rather than just turning it "off".
Eshshshss
Seasoned Ace
4 years ago
@papahandsoap amen!

On the topic of ranked Arenas - I was really eager to see them arrive as regular ones were unplayable due to MM, people quitting or being inactive.
That's why I don't play Pubs in BR either, just for warmups to switch my brain on and not lose RP during the process.

Yet seeing the outcome, I stopped playing ranked Arenas as soon as I have completed all the challenges (again used that as warmup and get some free stuff at the same time). This concept + bugs is just a major fail, I don't really get how people still play them and why.

The only somewhat playable mode is BR yet my patience with the beta testing is coming to an end. The last challenge for me is to get a 3 people set squad, go with them through 1 season, see the results and if I will remain in Diamond 4 thanks to MM, hackers, game bugs giving me RP loses, that will be my last season, I will call it "I have achieved all I could in this game" and quit.
SolitaryMassacr
4 years ago
@Eshshshss Well I have noticed in regular arenas you CAN leave without penalty if your team isn't full. Its not too difficult check on the devs side. They just have to patch it to ranked arenas.