I've done 10 qualication games teamed up with my friend and we both got silver IV. So at first we've been given 104 points for a win and -12 point for a loss. After playing 10 games solo same day I've lost around half of them and after that I've been given 30 points for a win and -12 to -13 for a loss. Then I've played with that friend next da and he still gets 104 p for a win and -12 to -13 p for a loss. At this point it seems quite fair, I've broke my win streak. Okay. Then my friend gets into gold (we've been playing together all the matches except those 10 solo, and of course he ranks up 5 times faster than me) and he gets 70 to 100p for a win and -12 to -13 for a loss. I get 30 to 50 p for a win and -12 to -13 for a loss being silver III and playing in a gold rank. And no points for overcoming more skilled players. I just don't get it. How it works. what's the formula of that ranked system? There's no scaling of difficulty. No matter which rank you're at you get -12 points for a loss either silver or gold. And with that matchmaking system where you being 400 ish level player get a squad of 2 players under 100 level playng against 500+ level 4k kills premade squads. This system is comeplitely broken. It seems like the system tries to equalize mid-high skilled solo players with with 2 low-mid skilled and expect those players to carry the match.

After playing about a full week of Ranked Arenas, I learned a few things! The first thing I learned is that it is not worth the TIME, EFFORT OR ENERGY to play this game mode. I am currently well over LELVEL 500 and have over 1200 hours in the game. I do not claim to be good at all but what I do have from playing this many hours is game sense. I know the maps, I know how to aim, I know where my teammates are and I know where the other team is as well. Most of this would come natural from just putting in the hours. I played my first 10 games and won most of them, not all but landed at Bronze 1. I continued to play and all seemed to be going well. No real issues. My solo queue teammates were solid, and they too seemed to have some sense of the game. I SLOWLY worked my way up to GOLD 4. And when I say SLOWLY, I mean, you don't really get my AP for winning a match. I lost a few games on the way again around 5 total but after a few days of playing I was GOLD 4.That is when it all changed. I did manage to work my way up, all the way to 1 win away from GOLD 3 and then it really started to sink in. It was at this point, I started getting BRAND NEW PLAYERS to APEX on my team. And when I say BRAND NEW, I mean it. They were not SMURF accounts. Now, I realize we all start somewhere and that is totally fine. But what I learned is that it was EXTREMELY DIFFICULT to rely on my Teammate when they have only played the game for a few weeks maybe. I was getting LEVEL 13, 34, 18, 24 and the list goes on..... Players that I was being teamed up with. It was impossible to win. Once this all started, I lost almost EVERY SINGLE GAME until I was back in SILVER 1. I was 2 losses away from SILVER 3 and that is where I stopped getting BRAND NEW PLAYERS on my team again. I was getting some LEVEL 500s some 200's and so forth. I managed to work my way back up to GOLD 4 and what do you know, I started getting BRAND NEW PLAYERS again on my team. Now, I'm not saying this is all their fault that we could not win, but remember how lost you were when you started playing? Remember how hard it was to learn the maps? Remember trying to decide which weapon is your go to weapon? Remember when you did not even know there was such a thing as a wall jump? Now imagine how hard this must be to win a match!I kept playing just to see what would happen. I bounced in and out of GOLD and SILVER over and over again, and each time I was faced with the same issue. II am currently back in GOLD 4 and I consistently get 12 AP or a win, and I consistently lose 13-16 if we lose. Basically I would need to win 33.33 games in a row to get to GOLD 3 while playing with a team that has a weeks worth of APEX EXPERIENCE. For each loss, I would have to win twice. Simply Math tells me it would take FOREVER to rank up without a pre made team or unless one is good enough to TRULY CARRY the team. Bottom line is, there needs to be some sort of adjustment to RANKED ARENAS. Many adjustments in fact. If the so called MMR that is behind the scenes actually works, (AND IT MIGHT), there still has to be a way to level the playing field with APEX EXPERIENCE. Stacking players with 10 hours play time with someone with 1200 hours of play time makes absolutely no sense, in a 1v1 scenario. I want this to be fun to play, especially when the map rotation in BR is not one that I want to play. But if these issues can't be addressed then I have no choice but to only play when there is a BR map rotation that I enjoy playing. There are plenty of other games out there that I could fill my time with if I choose!

I concur with all of the above. Ive even had some "friends" say..oh let me go onto my other account, we will get easier lobbies.Man..talk about pathetic. You wanna get good..you practice hard against good players and not worry about your freakin KD ratioor tryin to be "the man" with all the kills.Its really hard tho with all the hacking going on, but to stay on point....I totally agree that getting 13 AP for winning a match is just a joke.Ive given up on Ranked arenas for that reason alone. Not worth the time you put it in to get 400 AP, 13 at a time, but lose twice as much if you drop a match.Has to be looked at and some adjustments made IMO.

I never post anything on the forums or internet but the scoring system of ranked arenas really got me frustrated to the tipping point. I like arenas because it really helps you hone battle skills, gun control. situational awareness, movement, positioning and so on. However, in order to progress you need to rank up and that is absolutely frustrating. 1) MM has no consistency, some games you have opponents level 20-30 roll over me and my team with just Boceks. Another time you get Masters opponents that are just laughable and get railroaded in seconds. 2) RP rewards do not reflect the amount of contribution made by you towards winning. I do not think it is fair to get rewarded 16 RP in Plat 1 for 4K damage ang 8 kills while your teammate made 200 damage and 2 knocks. If you look at regular ranked matches you can still come out on top and progress fairy easily if you do decent damage and get decent kills. But no matter how hard you try you just cant progress in arenas. I spent 1 week in Plat 1 where you get +16, +17, +18 for winning and then -12, -12,- 12 for losing netting you only 15 RP after 4 hours of combat. You need 400 RP just to get to the next level which comes out to 78 hours ( which is like having to work a full time job for 2 weeks). I mean if this was Masters or Pred I would get it, but this is not even diamond rank yet. I do hope all these posts will get Respawn's attention and this gets re-worked tis season.

@MuxtunRanked Arenas is CONSTANTLY giving me new accounts, and I'm not getting "new players", these are ACTUAL smurphs, some in which were using cheats.First off, I get a low level PC player and their Console teammate. The Console teammate didn't do squat the whole match, they were basically a dead weight, while the PC player pushed fights solo, and seemed to know where the enemy team was. We lost the match though.Then there's the enemy team, Caustic seemed like a "normal" player, Bloodhound was a bit weird in their aim, but Octane was 100% cheating. They were locking onto us and doing quick snapping turns before firing their gun at us. The damage log is included, so people can see that they're all on the same team. Most of the damage done by the enemy team was from the Octane, with the other two just assisting. In round 1, the Octane didn't cheat, and the whole team got squadwiped by the solo Pathfinder, then in round 2, the Octane just flipped on cheats and the moment you get shot at, you're already on the ground, there was no getting away, no healing, no counterattacks, no nothing.What's also sad and "pathetic", is that there's also this: https://twitter.com/alphaINTEL/status/1426306317526786054 According to Google, more people are searching for hacks, which explains ALL the new accounts I'm seeing in EVERY MODE. Jumped into a trios match yesterday, and everyone was either 20 kill, 4k damage badge pred, or the same bades, but they're only level 1-35.Apex has became an utter joke now.Since EA/Respawn doesn't wanna tackle smurph or hackers, I've just been blocking every smurph account, and anyone who seems like or are hacking. I do this, in hopes I see them less often, which I end up do seeing less of them. The only time I see them again, is when they get onto my team, due to the 3rd player being someone I didn't have blocked.This also happens most of the time: This is another team, and when they started losing, the two console players turned on their strike packs. Lifeline and Gibby started twerking after winning the last round like "hahahahahha I WON" even though they let a CHEAT do all the work for them.

@mooge_pew_pew All I know is that I won 4 matches in a row then got put in Bronze 2 lol

Apex arena rating system is broken

54 Replies

TheApexLegendNu
4 years ago
@mooge_pew_pew All I know is that I won 4 matches in a row then got put in Bronze 2 lol
mooge_pew_pew
4 years ago
@TheApexLegendNub me and my friend won 5 or 6 matches of qualification. End up in silver 4
TheApexLegendNu
4 years ago
@mooge_pew_pew They said the points were not really based on wether you win or lose, you gain more points for killing someone better than you and less points for killing someone worse than you
mooge_pew_pew
4 years ago
@TheApexLegendNub But you don't get points for either kills or damage. Loosing a match with 3k damage and 5-7 kills will end up with -12 points. No difference
D3loFF
Rising Veteran
4 years ago
@mooge_pew_pew They mean you get points for the MMR super secret system which is not working btw. It is not working, because I got constantly matched with people with much less skill than mine.
mooge_pew_pew
4 years ago
@D3loFF yeah. me too. And playing solo now its like russian rulette. You can be put in a much less skilled squad. And there's nothing, ABSOLUTELY NOTHING you can do no metter how hard you try. You can be put in an equaly skilled squad and you have a fair chance to win. Or you can be put in a more skilled squad.
LucidCarry
4 years ago
i won 8 out of my 10 placements and got put into gold 2. got 108 points per win and 12 points per loss no matter who i was up against. whether it was masters or apex preds. it stayed that way untill i got to diamond 4. my loss points stayed the same at 12 but my win points dropped to 80. then 55. and im now in diamond 3 getting only 21 points per win. the people i go against never have masters or preds badges anymore. hell i barely even see diamonds anymore even though i win way more than i lose. the systems is messed up right now and have no clue how it works. the need to treat arenas like normal ranks and base it off of your own solo performance. 3 out of every 5 games i play i trail my team mates in dmg by at least 1000 and i can tell by the way my opponents play that they havent played any high ranked games yet. and my teamates are always gold or platt which makes no sense to me since i win way more games than i lose.
Muxtun
4 years ago
This is what I just posted about too. The way the system places a solo player with Teammates needs to be looked into. Once you hit Gold 4 and mind you I only lost like 5 games prior to that, I now get place with Bronze 4 and Bronze 2 players over and over again. The issue with this is that there is a MASSIVE difference between a low Bronze player and a low Gold player, simply due to the fact that the low Bronze players just don't have the experience that even a low Gold player would have. I say this because it costs nothing to get out of Bronze other than time played. There is no RP cost to join until you get out of Bronze, so if all of your Teammates are BRONZE, then they simply do not have the same experience a GOLD player would have. This alone makes it nearly impossible to win a match once you hit gold.
Anonymous
4 years ago
indeed win 80% in placements had to crawl to silver 2 at 12 ap per game and loss 16 or more if i lose yet do 10 kills 3k damage
Anonymous
4 years ago
you got Gold i got Bronz same wins bat team mates had no kills