Apex Support Rolls: What is support?

@EA_QueenBeeIn a perfect world every character supports another in a way, legends who do not support any sort of team play needs fixing. Legends that do not support team play Seer: my suggestion is a passive nerf, that would force him to rely more on teammates for where enemies are, instead of only himself. Caustic doesn’t do well, just not at all. My best fox for him is reverting him back to season 10, or even season 8 where his gas damage was only 5, they really just can’t be destructible. Pathfinder, with a grapple that puts him to far, away, and a zip that does the same, he needs some thing to keep him helping the team, I don’t know what, but he needs something. Suggestions like these should not be based on pick rate, it should be based on the actual health of the game, like the caustic nerfs were unnecessary, but in know we can see how much better it was before them. Caustic is no longer viable, he is the one most in need on this list. Even tho pathy has been asking for one longer, caustic is broken currently. Best wishes and happy gaming!

@EA_QueenBeeI would say yes Recon provide a sort of support role in and of itself, one that fits the roll of providing information to the team. However as we have pathfinder, recon is not necessarily exclusive to providing sight but also potentially movement. Pathfinder is classified on the wiki as a "forward scout". The idea kind of being that he could go ahead, see if anyone's around, then provide zipline back to team from where he is (assuming height or needed traversal).

I agree with you on it being tough to find balance in debuff rolls, as you want people to have fun, so unless the debuff gives satisfaction to the user and a moderate to minimal amount of "rage" to the opposing team it would be hard to find that equalizer. Caustics gas has been an incredibly difficult debuff to balance I imagine, with power being added and removed repeatedly, and its still in a state where "high rank good plays, low rank steamrolled by experienced players that ignore gas".

At one point I wondered if it wouldn't have been better to swap his tactical and ultimate, allowing caustic to setup a large gassy environment with a large barrel, requiring setup time for that kind of defence, having it spread out in a larger area over time when activated and it being activated by him Re-Activating his ultimate (A literal, hide the bomb scenario and set it off when needed). Meanwhile he has gas grenades now and can rapidly throw down gas grenades to lockdown area's or assault enemies (I mean his character art does show him carrying more of those than barrels).

However you could also argue that a fuse that knows what he's doing aggravates the absolute hell out of enemy teams with constant tactical stickies, accurate grenade lobs, or insane arc sticks and that could and maybe should be the baseline for it. I once destroyed an entire team out of ring as a fuse because I managed to appropriately place all my abilities (including the blasted ultimate because luckily stuck the valk before they managed an actual takeoff so it did what it was supposed to for once)

A simple debuff for example could be a dart that hits a singular enemy for a slight momentary slow and 5 pips of damage with multiple charges (lets say 2). Compare valk who can fire a barrage of missiles with what is equivocally a large arc star slow that can brutalize either a single player or hiding team and thats another baseline for a control effect.

- What debuff like effects do players ALREADY tolerate in game.
- Are they fun effects satisfying when they occur
- How can we do something similar in these regards and either replicate the effect differently OR slightly push the envelope and see what can be added next

PS. So, I know you can't speak for leaked content, but I am so hoping Cryo grenades make it into game soon so I can have more fun with fuse.